People honor Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me
What do Mark Batterson, Nancy DeMoss, and Priscilla Shirer have in common?
They have all taught people to draw circles, stand inside and pray for something. Now, I’m not going to rehash all the articles about circle making because I believe the word has gotten out about how very unbiblical Circle Making is, so your welcome. The fad wore off soon after true biblical brothers and sisters started addressing the subject.
Just to quickly recap for those that may not have ever heard of Circle Making, it’s the practice of many Christians by making a circle on the ground by drawing it in the dirt or using tape or whatever and then stand inside the circle and ask God for something.
I mentioned above 3 people that have held teaching on Circle Making and I would like to point out how they teach it and why.
Now, to start off with I want to explain how Mark Batterson was the first in modern days to write about Circle Making.
I’ll quote from this article titled, “The Origins and Evolution of Prayer Circles”,
“In his book, Batterson states that it was Gipsy Smith who inspired him to write the book, which is a retelling of the story of Honi the Circle Maker, a Jewish miracle worker. According to the legend, a group of Jews came to Honi and asked him to pray to God to make it rain and end the drought they were experiencing. Honi prayed, but the rain did not come. So Honi drew a circle on the ground and stood within it and prayed again. This time a very light rain started. Honi was not satisfied so he prayed again to God, saying, “This is not that rain that I prayed for! I prayed for rain that will fill the cisterns!” Then it began to rain very, very hard. Again, Honi stood in his circle and prayed to God, saying, “I did not pray for such a hard rain, but a good rain!” and then it began to rain moderately. One of the Israelites then said to Honi, “You entreat God, and He performs your will!”
“Batterson has taken the pagan ritual of Gipsy Smith, and the legend of Honi the Circle Maker, and thrown in a dash of prosperity gospel to create his various “Circle Maker” books which have sold well throughout the Church, influencing hundreds of churches and Christians. One of the more influential followers of Batterson’s false “Circle Maker” teaching is Anne Graham Lotz, the daughter of evangelist Billy Graham. Lotz is so enamored with Batterson’s teaching that she has threatened to shut down at least one website that called for her to repent of it.”
So, you’ll see how the newest fad of modern times of Circle Making came from Batterson’s book.
I have to say though the section where the man named Honi seems to push his own weight around with God is a bit cringe. He speaks to God as if he himself is God’s Boss. For example, the first time Honi prayed and it rained he sounds a bit annoyed that God got it wrong. It says in the write-up that he prayed again to God, saying, “This is not that rain that I prayed for! I prayed for rain that will fill the cisterns!”.
I just feel as if this is a correction to God as if Honi is saying God messed up. So, the second time Honi prays again… “Then it began to rain very, very hard. Again, Honi stood in his circle and prayed to God, saying, “I did not pray for such a hard rain, but a good rain!” and then it began to rain moderately.” This appears to really frustrate Honi and he again corrects God. I find this very disrespectful for Honi to talk to the Lord in such away. Honi is not calling the shots, God is, so who is he to address a Holy and Righteous God the Creator of all the living in such a way that makes him look like a spoiled child.
Why would Batterson not see how disturbing this guy’s attitude towards God is?
So shortly after Mark Batterson’s book, you can see how others start practicing circle making and bringing it into their life.
Mark says you can draw a circle with chalk 3 times, stands inside, and prays for any situation you are facing. In his book review, it asks “what impossibly big dream is God calling you to draw a prayer circle around?”
Answer: Nothing! God does not call us to draw circles around any dream or situation we have.
Take note that there are two different men involved in the making of this very old story that Mark talks about, Honi and Gipsy Smith. Honi is the man that was asked to pray for rain and then Gipsy Smith the man that follows in Honi’s footsteps teach it as a place to pray for revival.
Next we have Nancy DeMoss, she’s a woman that picked up Circle Making after it became popular and introduced it into her women conferences. Nancy DeMoss tells the same story on the very first night of her conference about the man named Gypsi Smith that made a circle and stood inside it and prayed.
An article titled, “Nancy Leigh DeMoss Endorsing Chalk Circles? Mercy” quotes this: “Nancy Leigh DeMoss also spoke at a True Woman Conference in September 2012, and according to an article on the True Woman website, chalk circles were drawn throughout the conference room, and participants of the conference were encouraged to utilize these circles for prayer. And as a clever little marketing tie-in, the participants were sent home after the conference with little goody bags containing, that’s right, chalk, so that they could all go home and perform their own pagan rituals, umm, prayer circles.”
Quotes from it say, “Nancy (conf): And to step inside that circle and say, “Lord, would You send revival to my family? Would You send revival to my church? Would You send an awakening to our nation, to our world? We desperately need it. But oh, Lord, would You start the revival inside this circle? Let it begin in me.
Janet: So let me tell you what happened for me as a speaker when I stepped into that circle. I was under very strong conviction. David said, “My sins are ever before me.” That’s what I felt when I was in that circle. I thought, “Lord, I’m not here to teach these women. I’m here to seek Your face.”
Janet (conf): The point here is Jesus. He’s defying convention. He’s moving deeper into the life of a woman who had some pretty dark secrets, and she’s more thirsty than she can even imagine or knows herself. So Jesus responds. And He says, “Everyone who drinks this water [referring to the well] will be thirsty again. But whoever drinks from the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed the water I give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” What a message! What a Teacher!
Janet: And standing in this circle I am very aware of my own sins. And what I want more than anything is to walk away from this experience saying, “Lord, I’ve had a wash, rinse, and spin cycle. My sins have been blotted out. I have a fresh start and a new beginning, and I want to seek Him as Nancy was teaching us. Not once every five years but moment by moment every single day. That’s the only way I can keep my ledger short. That’s the only way I can constantly say “Lord, if there’s going to be revival, I want it so desperately to begin with me. Revive my heart. Change me, Lord. Let me be aware of what You’ve done in my life.”
They are saying being inside the circle “you will feel something“, “you are in the circle to seek God“, “you are asking God to revive you and change you in the circle“.
Now, none of that sounds bad but what I want to ask everyone is, do we seek God in a circle on the ground or do we seek God in His Word? Are we supposed to be led by our feelings and how we “feel” in the circle or by the Truth of God’s Word? Do we change our hearts by standing inside a circle and asking God to revive or change us or do we change our hearts by reading God’s Word?
It seems to me, that the focus is on circle making not praying and asking God for something.
I truly believe the focus solely needs to be on God and His Word. We can pray for revival but don’t make it a ritual or action to get something.
The next teacher I mentioned was Priscilla Shirer (You can see her in the picture with Nancy DeMoss) and, in the video of Priscilla, she tells her audience she got the teaching from Nancy DeMoss. Priscilla tells the same exact story as Nancy did but Nancy gives the name of the man ‘Gipsy Smith’ and Priscilla doesn’t. She just says he’s a preacher yet Mark tells the story from Honi. So, what I’m trying to say is we see all of them teach circle making just a bit different to their audience but all of them still point to the circles as the focus in order to bring God’s blessing.
The only other place I’ve seen “Circle Making” was in witchcraft.
Witches practiced these rituals for protection or whatever they needed at the time but instead of calling it “Circle Making”, they call it the “Circle of Protection” or “Magic Circle”. In an article on circles, they explain a little of how witches do this practice. The link below says, “One of the most basic devices used in ancient pagan spirituality is the “circle of protection.” You find it everywhere from the Eastern mystery religions to modern witchcraft. The circle of protection was commonly used in old Gypsy magic, as it was thought to create an impenetrable barrier of protection around those in which it was created. This “magic” circle, spiritual in nature, could be something physical, such as lines drawn in the dirt or sand, or even a sprinkling of salt. But they could also be imaginary.”
Just like what Mark, Nancy, and Priscilla teach, we can see that witches also require making a circle on the ground, getting inside it, and doing something to get something like protection.
You should know Circle Making does NOT come from the Scriptures. You can look but you will not find God teaching it anywhere in the Scriptures.
As I researched this subject one of the many articles, I read that I felt makes excellent points was Tim Challies’ article called, “Don’t Pray in Circles “. Simply put he discuss circle making as… Extra-Biblical, Un-Biblical, and Anti-Biblical.
Oddly enough at the very end of his article, he does make a point to tell his readers that he is only talking about Mark Batterson and not Nancy DeMoss. I found that to be very odd. You can read the article in this link below.
Now, because Priscilla learned it from Nancy then people believe Priscilla shouldn’t be lumped in with the review that Challies said about Mark either.
So, I wonder if Priscilla even has a problem with Mark’s teaching of it. I am very troubled by the fact that Tim Challies felt he should make that statement.
Am I the only one that thinks what they all teach is the same? Believing that circles make a difference in your prayer life to receive answered prayers. Mark believes it makes the impossible happen in your life, Nancy believes it gets us revivals and awakenings to the World and Janet says she felt something when she stepped inside of it and it changes you. Priscilla talks of what God wants to do through us and to pray in the circle for a revival of our hearts of the things of God.
But doesn’t this sound like they are practicing man-made traditions? They are all following the lead of a man long ago. God says in Mark 7: 1-13~” Now when the Pharisees gathered to him, with some of the scribes who had come from Jerusalem, they saw that some of his disciples ate with hands that were defiled, that is, unwashed. (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands properly, holding to the tradition of the elders, and when they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions that they observe, such as the washing of cups and pots and copper vessels and dining couches.) And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, “Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?” And he said to them, “Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, “‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men.” And he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’ But you say, ‘If a man tells his father or his mother, “Whatever you would have gained from me is Corban”’ (that is, given to God) then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or mother, thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do.”
This is a great example that God shows us about how man loves to have traditions of things passed down form long ago. Even just washing hands or pots is seen as man-made traditions that God doesn’t care for or call all us to practice. God says people honor Him with their lips, but their heart is far from Him. That should cause great concern in the things we practice even something as simple as circle making or hand washing.
Priscilla has even written a reply to her fans about the photos they have sent to her showing her the circles they made. Many have used very different things to make the circles. In the link below it shows pictures of women inside circles made of socks, chalk, balls, and even kids (the circle was made from the kids laying down, head to toe with other kids while the mom stood inside to pray). Now that seems to be someone that is very sold on the idea otherwise, she’s making light of the practice that Priscilla has taken seriously or she wouldn’t have taught it.
Now, I wouldn’t say that making a circle is wrong or standing in a circle is a bad thing or even washing hands or a pot are taboo. It’s when they put a lot of focus on them and connect it to God. They are causing people to feel there is an importance to this action.
Many people miss the danger of this practice because they make it sound so good and biblical. People have said things like, “the circle is a reminder to youto ask God to start by helping you”, sound good, doesn’t it? What about this, “the circle helps people to start by looking at their own lives“, yeah this sounds good too. The circle teaches a good biblical principle on how to pray”, or “The circle thing is only a way of drawing attention to revivals“. How do any of those sound bad? They don’t but when you stop to truly think about what it is, they are teaching you and what they are asking you to do it should cause you to worry, especially when it’s not in Scriptures.
What I would like to point out is how easy it is to be deceived by false teachers that use slick words or actions to get you to believe in and participate stuff like Circle Making. How have others gotten caught up in it? Well, from their carefully spoken words. In Priscilla’s reply to her followers, she tells them that, “you have made it priority to create a circle in which to stand and pray”.
“Your circle – no matter what it looks like, how long it has stayed intact or who has gotten into it with you – matters!”
She so subtly speaks to the women that because they make the circles priority and telling the women the circles matter it makes them feel special. Mark, Nancy and Priscilla all know how to convince people to believe in this just by how they talk. They say things that are exciting like do this or that and wonderful things will happen, God is going to do great things through you. This is why they all tell the story about the man that prayed on the outskirts of town and got what he prayed for so why not you?
If you find yourself in a conference like that then just ask questions about the things they are saying. Do you think circles make a difference in your prayers? Do you believe they matter? Do they make God realize how serious you are? Do we need reminders like that? Are they reminders or just acts of works? If I do this then God will answer kind of belief. After all, isn’t that what Honi did as he prayed for rain?
I just have to say, NO! We shouldn’t be making circles, or squares, or ovals priority at all. Priscilla Shirer is wrong; God needs to be priority in our lives, not Circle Making. And NO, Priscilla, Circle Making doesn’t matter. What matters is our salvation, the condition of our hearts, and our desire for the Lord and for His Word and Truth, not circles.
All any of those teachers taught their audience is how to either pray for rain, a dream, a revival, and that it is a priority and that it matters. Where’s the Word of God? Did God teach us to pray this way? How does Circle Making bring us closer to God, or even help us know the Gospel or convict us to repent of our sins? You see, false teachers know how to “talk the talk” because they know how to speak as a seasoned scholar and knows all the right words to use. They can quote scriptures better than most people you know but we need to realize just because a person can quote scriptures doesn’t mean they are biblical because Satan knows the Bible better than anyone on earth and he’s working on us just like he did with Jesus. Satan used scriptures to try and tempt Jesus and he will do it to tempt and deceive us too. This is why we must test, test, test!
1 Thessalonians 5:21 ESV~ But test everything; hold fast what is good.
So we see how Mark, Nancy, and Priscilla say to pray but how does God tell us to pray?
The Bible says in Luke 5:16 that Jesus often went away to be by Himself and pray. Matthew 6:5-6 says ~“When you pray, go into your room. Close the door and pray to your Father, who can’t be seen. He will reward you. Your Father sees what is done secretly.” Matthew 6:9-13~ “This, then, is how you should pray: “‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.”’
Growing up I always heard the saying “Don’t mix religion and politics”. I never understood that much till I became older but even as a grown adult I notice how people tend to avoid mixing the two. In school, we could learn all about politics but not so much religion but I found it most interesting that many people that are religious will not speak very freely of their views on politics. You might hear a Christian speak about it a little if they felt it wasn’t a hot topic or maybe only to a few people they trusted but to me it’s been so obvious that even I kept tight-lipped about my views for many years until I questioned why I felt this way. Why did I feel I wasn’t supposed to be open about my political views? What’s so wrong with talking about them? Is it because it’s not proper for a woman to do so or was it because I’m a Christian and it’s never proper for any Christian to talk about politics? I still don’t understand why I feel its taboo to speak of politics as a Christian but I started voicing my opinion anyway. As I spoke out on why I believed something to be bad or good for our country, I learned quickly that many are either not willing to talk about it or they are and they go at it very aggressively. There are only a few people that will engage in a conversation with me whether they agree or disagree. I prefer to keep respectful of each other and talk nicely even when we don’t agree but maybe that’s why so many are tight-lipped. Some just get too angry and can’t be respectful allowing people to have different opinions. As a Christian, we cannot forget Col 4:6~ “Let your speech always be gracious, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how you ought to answer each person.” Getting in discussions is not a bad thing; it’s when we get in heated arguments that might lead to hurt feelings. Just keep in mind that it shouldn’t be about our voice but about God’s truth, not about our opinions in government politics but what God says about His laws and teachings on those subjects. My truth is not important but His truth is and that needs to be what guides us Christians and keeps us speaking in love. There isn’t any reason that can’t happen. If no one is convincing the other then it shouldn’t matter in the end. Speak in love and move on.
I have also had discussions with people who claim to be Christian who holds to very unchristian lifestyles or beliefs. This causes great concern for me about them and drives my desire to hopefully point them back to Christ. I’ve read articles where a person will say they are a Christian but they don’t believe God cares if they cuss because it’s just words or that they feel they can be Christian and support abortion – stuff like that.
My goal of this article is not to tell Christians who to vote for or to get into a heated debate with them but simply to point the Christians back to Christ when trying to face all the worldly emotions and trials of today and remind them what’s right in God’s eyes.
First, let me warn you as a Christian you will be persecuted for your love of Christ and your beliefs. I’ve heard many people say, who weren’t Christian, how they lost friends just because they support something a friend of theirs didn’t and so it destroyed their friendship. If today’s policies are a dividing line that even non-Christians are being bullied on or losing friends over then we as Christians will be judged on that and more because we love Christ. So, brace yourself and chose today who you will serve God or man?! You will lose friends, friends you’ve been close to for years but they are showing their true colors if they make you choose between God or the world. I’ve been told because of my preferred choices with policies that I’m hateful and not Christian because I don’t support something they do. They see something as loving and good to support when I discern it as sounding loving only on the outside or in name only but underneath all the fuzzy feelings is a disguised agenda of something very wrong and dark. As you look into them, we can find the truth of what some groups are about.
What is a Christian to do and what’s our role in voting? Well, we all need to vote but you need to do your research on the policies and on the candidates. Look into them and see what they push for and if it’s proper for a true Christian to support and vote in favor of.
Let’s start with the purpose of government? Did God ordain government? Yes, He did!
Romans 13:1–2~ “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.”
1 Peter 2:13–14~ “Be subject for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether it be to the emperor as supreme, or to governors as sent by him to punish those who do evil and to praise those who do good.”
So what does this mean for a Christian? It means recognizing Biblical rolls in politics for God-ordained governing authority, instituted by God to stand up for the innocent and persecuted.
God created those authorities to rule over us and as Christian, we are to obey them. In a perfect world, we would have a government that would rule over us yet be fair to all but even if they aren’t fair, we are still called to obey them. The only reason not to obey would be if the government wanted us to go against our Christian beliefs and if the government made it law to practice something that goes directly against God. An example that comes to mind is the story of “Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego”. Because they refused to bow down and serve and worship the golden image of a god the King had made, King Nebuchadnezzar sentenced the three to death in the furnace. We are to be obedient to the governing authority and yet can refuse when they command Christians to do things that make us go against our faith and love for Christ.
So, what is God’s purpose in politics? Plainly put, to accomplish His perfect will for the world. God can work through all governing bodies whether good or bad to do what He wants in government. Knowing this we still should not rely on the government for our happiness but to rely on God and His Word. We can not kid ourselves and think politics are as equally important as Christian values. Politics isn’t how Christians change hearts but only through God’s precious Word do we reach the lost. However, God has and does use those in the government to reach others through His words for His purpose such as in the Book of Daniel when God allowed Daniel to interpret the kings’ dream.
Daniel 2:48-49~ “Then the king gave Daniel high honors and many great gifts, and made him ruler over the whole province of Babylon and chief prefect over all the wise men of Babylon. Daniel made a request of the king, and he appointed Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego over the affairs of the province of Babylon. But Daniel remained at the king’s court.”
Daniel always knew it was God that ruled and was never afraid to say so.
Daniel 2:21~“He changes times and seasons; he removes kings and sets up kings; he gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to those who have understanding;”
Is it ok for Christians to voice their belief on certain elect leaders who best demonstrate good moral principles? Yes!
Voicing our beliefs is good when pointing out the strong points of a candidate. Some Christians think because God is in control of the government we don’t need to vote. No, that doesn’t mean we don’t vote. As Christians, we have a responsibility to exercise our right to vote and to do what we can to bring into power perhaps the most moral person who adheres to more of the biblical principles. We should vote for those policies and leaders that reflect good values. If they are not ashamed to pray and speak about God then this is something to keep in mind. We also need to be praying for them to be God-fearing leaders.
1 Timothy 2:1–4~ ”First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. This is good, and it is pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.”
The world has been influenced by sin and suffering and when we don’t stand up for the things that are Biblical then we will suffer. If we don’t stand against bad leaders then we will suffer as said in these following verses.
Proverbs 14:34~ “Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people.”
1 Samuel 12:13–16~ “And now behold the king whom you have chosen, for whom you have asked; behold, the Lord has set a king over you. If you will fear the Lord and serve him and obey his voice and not rebel against the commandment of the Lord, and if both you and the king who reigns over you will follow the Lord your God, it will be well. But if you will not obey the voice of the Lord, but rebel against the commandment of the Lord, then the hand of the Lord will be against you and your king. Now, therefore, stand still and see this great thing that the Lord will do before your eyes.”
So many people today do not want anything to do with God and this goes for many leaders as well. When more people vote that don’t care about God then godly morals will not be a priority to them. They will be ok with voting for someone that could violate the Bible’s commands in all areas. When Christians don’t speak up about the rights and wrong of policies and don’t vote then we really can’t complain. We need to make sure to vote and be good examples to others and warn others of policies that go against Biblical principles. Whatever leader is voted in will have the power over our freedom which means we as Christians could someday find ourselves at the mercy of a leader that wouldn’t allow us to worship or share the gospel. Many countries don’t have the freedom to worship and Christians in those countries are being persecuted but we are blessed for now because we still have the freedom to worship and pray in our churches.
Hopefully, Christians don’t need to be told this but I’ll say it anyway, we do not look at or judge a candidate by the color of their skin or their gender but by their heart, morals, and polices. John 7:24~ “Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment.”1 Samuel 16:7~ “But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.” Skin color and gender isn’t what make neighborhoods safer or brings in more jobs. It’s the condition of the person’s heart, and desire to do something about those things and accomplishing it.
God desires that the government enforcing laws to practice justice and to be fair and He has allowed the leaders of the government to have authority and hold order in society over the people in a Godly way (Romans 13:1-7).
It’s truly not about just supporting this party over that party or voting for Republican or Democrat out of the devotion of one over the other but instead WHAT agenda they are pushing for. We need to look at the Bible to see what God says about the political issues on the ballets.
One issue that is on the ballot every 4 years it seems is the issue of “LIFE”. Not just any life but that of the unborn baby created by God. God has a lot to say about that. Would God want us Christians to support abortion? Of course not! We must realize abortion is not about the woman’s body. The baby isn’t part of her body but instead, the baby is “IN” her body. It isn’t about her right to choose because if she wants to choose then she should have chosen not to have sex if she didn’t want children. In the horrible case of rape, the choice was forced on her and if she becomes pregnant is she allowed to kill the fetus? Well, is it because something horrible happened to her it’s moral now? What’s that mean for the baby? In many cases it means death. Evil brings on evil in the case of rape and abortion. Abortion is seen as getting a tooth pulled, make the pain go away, no big deal but for the baby, it becomes life or death. Instead, we need to point to God and teach the truth of what abortion means. In a case of rape, we need to show how to forgive and not act on fear or hate but love for life. https://www.gotquestions.org/Planned-Parenthood.html
Any time there is talk of abortion the name “Planned Parenthood” is always mentioned. Many think that Planned Parenthood is a health department of sorts but it is not exactly providing the type of health care most people think.
Should Christians support Planned Parenthood? No, Proverbs 6:16–19~ “There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.”
There just can’t be any reason for Christian to support an organization that profits from the killing and murder of unborn babies. God is the one that creates all life. This organization is so evil and practices such as horrifying radical procedures that they perform abortions in every stage, even up to the day they are born.
Recently there was a Bill that was trying to be passed called “Born Alive Bill”. It says: “Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act: This bill establishes requirements for the degree of care a health care practitioner must exercise in the event a child is born alive following an abortion or attempted abortion. A health care practitioner who is present must (1) exercise the same degree of care as reasonably provided to another child born alive at the same gestational age, and (2) immediately admit the child to a hospital. The bill also requires a health care practitioner or other employee to immediately report any failure to comply with this requirement to law enforcement.” So far, the bill has not been able to pass which means that if a baby does survive an abortion the doctors are not to assist it. This is just evil. https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/senate-bill/130
Continuing on in the Planned Parenthood subject, we find the selling of baby parts. Below is a 2020 video of the U.S. Federal District Court of Northern California “PLANNED PARENTHOOD TESTIMONY ON SELLING BABY PARTS UNSEALED, NEW VIDEOS RELEASED”.
We have heard over and over the justification of how abortion is NOT killing a baby because it’s not a life yet and instead it’s just a mass of cells or a blob as I’ve heard it put, so why do they say they harvest body parts if it’s not a baby? They have prices on body parts such as lungs, brain or hearts, etc.
Another disturbing undercover video that has been done concerning the Planned Parenthood was one in which a man was undercover as a pimp or trafficker of women and children asking those at Planned Parenthood if he could get his “sex workers” medical help and told them that some were not from this country and some were underage. Now, by law, Planned Parenthood should have reported this activity to the authorities to provide those women and children protection but they didn’t do it but instead helped the pimp hide the crimes. The link to the video is below.
Let’s move on to the policies that a candidate may have about “Black Lives Matter”. Is this something a Christian should support? No! I knew even before I researched BLM that it wasn’t biblical or Christian. How they talked and the things that angered them told me the truth of who they were. They got very upset along with followers of the movement every time someone said, “All lives mattered”. I myself was reprimanded for saying that by people that called themselves Christian. I was privately told by a person that I wasn’t being a very loving Christian and being hurtful by expressing that I couldn’t support BLM. Also two different women I knew on two different occasions, felt it necessary to go onto my own personal page and apologize to any black friends on my list that I might have offended for not supporting BLM. I did delete their comments because I believe I am being as loving as I know to be by warning others of what this movement is truly about and sharing truth. Nothing I said was hurtful or mean, just truth and sometimes people don’t like the truth.
BLM isn’t something Christians should support. We cannot and should not support the BLM movement. I’m sure there are those out there reading this wondering why it’s not Christian to support BLM. Well, let me just first say that God couldn’t care less about our skin color or appearance but instead, He cares about what is in our hearts. 1 Samuel 16:7~ “But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”
What IS in the hearts of the BLM people? All I’ve seen has been hate and destruction and murder by them.
On the Black Lives Matter website, I found these statements!
~”We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement”
~”We foster a queer‐affirming network. When we gather, we do so with the intention of freeing ourselves from the tight grip of heteronormative thinking, or rather, the belief that all in the world are heterosexual”. Patrisse Cullors the Executive Director and Board President of BLM identifies as queer.
~In a 2015 interview, Patrisse Cullors stated that she and another co-founders “are trained Marxists.”
Black Lives Matter has been falsely claiming that cops are purposely hunting down black men and killing them, not true. Sense George Floyd’s death, crime has skyrocketed because BLM has been saying to get rid of law enforcement which has sparked much hate and destruction and riots all over the U.S which in turn has led to attacks and killings of police, burn down of buildings, and the murder of innocent children.
Fox News has reported that “June 29 to July 5, there were 85 shooting incidents and 27 murders in Chicago alone, with most occurring on the city’s predominantly African American South Side. Over the 28-day period ending July 5, there were 388 shootings in Chicago citywide — an increase of 76 percent compared to the same period in 2019 — and 95 murders. Over the July Fourth holiday weekend, 44 people were shot in New York City and at least eight were killed. When the number of police on the streets is reduced — a consequence of defunding or the even more absurd abolition of police departments — it’s inevitable that more Black and other lives will be lost as a result of increased crime.”
Black Lives Matter promotes a lot of violence and so many of their own supporters have killed other people because they disagree. We all see it on TV of the mob rioters wearing Black Lives Matter shirts. They are mad about the deaths of black men by cops but they completely ignore the deaths of so many others including children that have died as a result of their protests. One lady in Indiana was shot by a BLM supporter for just saying, ‘All Lives Matter’, and a man in a pro-Trump rally was gunned down and killed in the street of Portland by BLM supporters.
Fox News: “In Atlanta, there were 31 confirmed shooting victims and five deaths over the holiday weekend, including an 8-year-old girl named Secoreia Turner. She was killed while riding in a car with her mother by a “group of armed individuals who had blocked the entrance” to a parking lot, police said.”
Black lives matter also wants to completely abolish prisons, jails, and police. Why? We need a God-ordained governing authority, instituted by God to stand up for the innocent and persecuted. I will not kneel for BLM because that’s showing devotion and solidarity to them. Why would I do that? I can’t agree with what they stand for or the actions they have taken. I can’t devote myself to them and kneel as if they are my king or my God. I will only bow to my Lord Jesus Christ. BLM support Marxists. I’ve had someone ask, “What’s wrong with being a Marxist, so what? Well, before you dismiss this title they claim to be, you best do yourself a favor and look it up. What are Marxists?
“Marxism teaches that the best system of government is one in which wealth is distributed equally, there is no private property (ownership of productive entities is shared by everyone), and every citizen gives selflessly to the collective. The purported goal of Marxism is a government-run utopia in which the needs of each individual are always provided for. Ideally, the strong work hard, the inventive create technological marvels, the doctors heal, the artists delight the community with beauty, and anyone who is weak or poor or in need can draw on society’s combined resources as their needs demand. When this idealistic model is attempted in the real world, it is called “socialism,” “communism,” “statism,” “liberalism,” or “progressivism,” depending on the degree to which the model is explored and implemented.”
“Thus far, Marxism has never worked in real life—and, without exception, in the places where Marxism has been the governmental model, Christians have been persecuted. That’s because there’s a foundational difference between Marxism and Christianity, a deep divide that cannot be bridged. There are several aspects of Marxism, as a philosophy, that put it at odds with the Christian faith.”
“The Bible assumes the existence of private property and issues commands to respect it: injunctions such as “You shall not steal” (Deuteronomy 5:19) are meaningless without private property. The Bible honors work and teaches that individuals are responsible to support themselves: “The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat” (2 Thessalonians 3:10). The redistribution of wealth mandated by Marxism destroys accountability and the biblical work ethic. Jesus’ parable in Matthew 25:14–30 clearly teaches our responsibility to serve God with our (private) resources. There is no way to reconcile Marxism with the parable of the talents.”
“Marxism is ultimately about material things; Christianity is ultimately about spiritual things.”
“There’s a reason why, in Marxist states such as Communist China and Vietnam and the old Soviet Union, Christians are always persecuted—the ideas espoused by Marxism are antithetical to the teachings of Jesus Christ. The differences are irreconcilable.”
Christians, again, do your homework and start looking into it. I will not ever support a foundation that wants to disrupt the nuclear family. Why do they want that? Asks yourself, how is that a humble goal for families to support and shoot for? I will not support queer affirming networks that are against heterosexuals. Why would I support that? It goes against God’s design for marriage between a man and a woman! It’s a disgusting insult and violation of God’s law. It also goes against who I am personally along with millions of others.
In the link below is a video of a man that goes through audio made between the founder of BLM Patrisse Cullors is a zoom conversation with another woman named Melina Abdullah, Co-Founder, BLM Los Angeles. They both discuss what is believed to be witchcraft.
Melina says they “become very intimate with the spirits”
Patrisse says “I started to feel personally connected and responsible and accountable to them, both from a deeply political place but also from a deeply spiral place. In my tradition, you offer things that you’re loved one who passed would want, whether it’s things like honey or tobacco, things like that.” “It’s a very important practice. Hashtags for us are way more than a hashtag. It is literally almost resurrecting spirits so they can work through us to get the work that we need to get done”,
(I notice she says the words “literally almost” together. I find this interesting because “literally is equal to exactly” and “almost is equal to not quite”. To put them side by side in a sentence that talks of ‘resurrection of spirits’ makes me wonder if she wasn’t sure she should just come out and say they are conjuring up demons. Just something that crossed my mind.)
Melina says, “The first thing we do when we hear of a murder is, we come out, we pray, we pour out libation”. (libation: a drink poured out as an offering to a deity. Deity means, a god.)“When we say the names, we speak their names, we say their name we do that all the time. You kinda evoke that spirit and those spirits actually become present with you.
They are discussing how saying the dead person’s name, was an appeal to that spirit of the deceased to rise up and work through them. I remember hearing them constantly say the phrase at protests, “Say their names, say their names” when speaking of the black people that died by the hands of cops. I never thought anything about it till now.
I want to make something clear to Christians out there that may not know this because maybe you are new to the faith or coming out of a false religion that teaches this stuff but these ladies are not talking to people that died. They are not conjuring up spirits of those ancestors long ago and they are not asking those killed by cops to come and work in them. They are calling on demons and messing with the dark forces of evil. God doesn’t allow spirits of dead people to pop in and out of living people. The demons can do this to the unsaved and have and if these ladies are crossing over into black magic and witchcraft then they are messing with demons that will destroy their lives both physically and spiritually. Christians need to run as far away as they can from any support of BLM. Videos of the ladies below if you want to fact check.
Christian, if you want kindness in our country and people to care about the country then vote for people that love the country. Vote for the person that respects and helps veterans that fought for the USA. Vote for the person that wants to improve our country by making it stronger. When people start burning flags and shaming our country those people will vote for leaders that will also want to destroy it too and we will lose the land of the free. We may not have a candidate that’s a Christian to pick from but we need to look for one with good morals. Do they show kindness and love to others or are they supporting violence and encouraging people to chase others out of restaurants and stores that have opposing views? I read about protesters getting so angry, physically hurting, and attacking others for wearing a shirt or hat or waving a flag or sign supporting a different candidate and it’s so disturbing, that’s not something I would want to be connected to. Those people have every right to publicly support who they choose. As for us Christians, we do not hurt others like that. What party is the party of freedom and the party of kindness?
If you want the freedom of speech then vote for the candidate that wants it too and not someone that thinks it’s ok that you get beat for saying “All Lives Matter” or for fining or firing people for saying the wrong pronoun or even being arrested for making a Facebook post. Freedom of speech is good and we need it even though there are those that exercise it in the form of hate speech. This means others will have the right to say what they want (as cruel or hateful as it might be). Without a free country, we do not have freedom of speech. Without freedom of speech, we can’t be free to say what we know to be true. Oddly enough freedom of speech is already being attacked here in some states. One teacher lost her job for refusing to call a student by their preferred pronoun. We all know about the baker that was taken to court and sued for refusing to bake a gender wedding cake that went against his religion and beliefs. We even have a first grader that was sent to the principal’s office for accidentally calling a friend by the wrong pronoun. The child didn’t know the other kid changed their gender over the summer.
Then we have the subject of the freedom to worship, freedom of religion. In many countries, they do not have the right to worship how they want. Many Christian are persecuted for their faith. Pay attention to each candidate, do they tell us no church? Do they say we will be fined or have jail time if we worship? Do they themselves make a point to take God out of the Government? The link below shows John MacArthur being targeted by the State of California for having worship serves when they have told him to shut down. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=2639426876374527&extid=t78Wkcvlka3dPbTS
As a Christian, should we be against open borders? Well, this can sound mean if we say yes but let me explain. It’s not that we don’t want foreigners coming to our country we just don’t want them coming in illegally. It seems those who don’t want to follow the law and go through the proper channels are the criminals. The criminals know they will be caught so this is why they want open borders. It’s way easier to sneak in. When we keep them from coming in just anytime, they want then we also keep our country safe from unwanted gang members, drugs and sex trafficking, and even viruses. This is also why we need strong military and police.
As Christians should we be for war or against the war when it is needed? Well, we should never just want war but shouldn’t be against it when we need to defend ourselves. God speaks of war many times in the Bible. God has said when He commands war in the Bible against wicked people that His people are to go and “completely destroy those wicked people” and make war until they are completely wiped out (1 Samuel 15:18). God is not against war and has called for it Himself on many occasions. We as Christians should pray for our country to be at peace but if it’s not possible because we are being attacked and harmed then we should pray that the Lord help us, guide us and go before us in that war. Below are several verses that show God commanding war and providing protections and telling His people not to fear. However, we need to also see that God doesn’t mess around in war either. We read that in these battles He commands some incredibly harsh actions to be taken but even more so there will be some very disturbing battles at His second coming. The second coming will be extremely violent.
Numbers 31:1–7~ “The Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Avenge the people of Israel on the Midianites. Afterward, you shall be gathered to your people.” So, Moses spoke to the people, saying, “Arm men from among you for the war, that they may go against Midian to execute the Lord’s vengeance on Midian. You shall send a thousand from each of the tribes of Israel to the war.” So, there were provided, out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand from each tribe, twelve thousand armed for war. And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand from each tribe, together with Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, with the vessels of the sanctuary and the trumpets for the alarm in his hand. They warred against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every male.”
Deuteronomy 20:1–4~ “When you go out to war against your enemies, and see horses and chariots and an army larger than your own, you shall not be afraid of them, for the Lord your God is with you, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt. And when you draw near to the battle, the priest shall come forward and speak to the people and shall say to them, ‘Hear, O Israel, today you are drawing near for battle against your enemies: let not your heart faint. Do not fear or panic or be in dread of them, for the Lord your God is he who goes with you to fight for you against your enemies, to give you the victory.’
1 Samuel 15:3~ “Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’ ”
Joshua 4:13~ “About 40,000 ready for war passed over before the Lord for battle, to the plains of Jericho.”
There are many in the world today that want to get rid of authority. They want to get rid of the military, cops, and make people bound to them such as BLM and Antifa. The law enforcement and military are God-ordained and put in place for a reason but Christians already know that God is our ultimate authority. This next verse even says how we need to show submission to the authorities that are appointed by God and those who resist will incur judgment and wrath. So, be respectful for the sake of conscience but mostly to avoid God’s wrath.
Romans 13:1-7~ “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God’s wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God’s wrath but also for the sake of conscience. For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.”
Got Questions say: “Therefore, a Christian involved in law enforcement or police work is doing a good and godly thing. The police officer who enforces the just law of the land should consider himself or herself God’s servant and, toward the lawbreaker, an agent of God’s wrath sent to keep the peace. One of the most important jobs of every police officer is the restraint of evil in society—a dangerous career, a noble calling, and a profession congruent with a biblical desire for justice and righteousness.”https://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-law-enforcement.html
How should Christians view the right to bear arms? Is this a biblical issue? Well, there is nothing unbiblical in owning a gun but the Bible does not outlaw or condone the possession of weapons. The believers in the Word do have the right to defend themselves and loved ones when threatened. In the verse below we see Jesus tells them to sell their cloak to buy a sword. For Christians, we should always consider the Lord’s laws in what is right and wrong and strive to glorify the Lord in our actions. (1 Corinthians 10:31).
Luke 22:35–38~ “And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no moneybag or knapsack or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one. For I tell you that this Scripture must be fulfilled in me: And he was numbered with the transgressors.’ For what is written about me has its fulfillment.” And they said, “Look, Lord, here are two swords.” And he said to them, “It is enough.”
It just seems there is just no standard of right or wrong anymore, and bad behaviors with no accountability. Today we see so much hatred, destruction, and yes, even murder on the streets. Christians, stay focused on God and don’t be pulled into the emotions of all those that are doing these things. I will end with this verse and say, be kind to others.
Titus 3:1-11~ “Remind them to be submissiveto rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work, to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people. For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by others and hating one another. But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. The saying is trustworthy, and I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed in God may be careful to devote themselves to good works. These things are excellent and profitable for people. But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless. As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.”
Now, the first thing you should know is, I’m no Scientist or Scholar so just remember that when reading this. I am going to take you through my own research in studying the questions that I’ve had about the creation of the World.
I got to pondering God’s work in creation and what some of the writers might have been wondering. How could ancient writers of the Bible know so much about creation if they were just ordinary men? How could they have written about them in such detail and accuracy without the aid of the Lord truly telling them what to write?
We can look around and know there is a God that created all that we see but the details in which the ancient writers describe things can only be known because God told them.
In Romans 1:20~ For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
Psalm 19:1 ~ The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.
After reading that, I wondered, did any of the writers of the Bible ever think that what they were writing sounded crazy? Maybe they were a tad confused about the facts on certain stories and didn’t grasp what they were writing down, like in Genesis, with the creation of the Earth? How could they know the Earth was round or flat? Could they have been writing things down and thinking, “Uummm, this can’t be right”.
They had no way of testing many things to prove it right or wrong. No one could have known back then if the Earth was round or flat. I decided to do some research on all this and see how many things were described in Scriptures that were proven true only in recent years.
*Is the Earth Round?
So, what about the Earth being round or flat? Click on this link below we see it’s been a lifelong belief for centuries.
‘The flat Earth model is an archaic conception of Earth’s shape as a plane or disk. Many ancient cultures subscribed to a flat Earth cosmography, including Greece until the classical period, the Bronze Age and Iron Age civilizations of the Near East until the Hellenistic period, India until the Gupta period (early centuries AD), and China until the 17th century.”
“The Israelites also imagined the Earth to be a disc floating on water with an arched firmament above it that separated the Earth from the heavens. The sky was a solid dome with the Sun, Moon, planets, and stars embedded in it.”
The image above is an Imago Mundi Babylonian map, the oldest known world map, 6th century BC Babylonia
“Curiously, many astronomy textbooks credit Pythagoras (c. 570–500 B.C.) with being the first person to assert that the earth is round.1 However, the biblical passages are older than this. Isaiah is generally acknowledged to have been written in the 700s B.C. and Job is thought to have been written around 2000 B.C. The secular astronomers before the time of Pythagoras must have thought the Bible was wrong about its teaching of a round earth, yet the Bible was exactly right. It was the secular science of the day that needed to be corrected.”
This video above talks of the earlier beliefs of a flat Earth and how the idea grew to become around Earth. Although this is not a video that is based on Christian views or writings it does show how many believed the Earth thousands of years ago to be flat and then later changed the belief it to be round. God described how the Earth was round but 1,000 of years ago the world described how it was flat.
In Ray Comforts’ book, “How to Know God Exists,” Ray says, “The Book of Isaiah was written between 740 and 680 B.C. This is at least 300 years before Aristotle suggested, in his book, “On the Heavens”, that the earth might be a sphere. It was another 2,000 years later (at a time when science believed that the earth was flat) that the Scriptures inspired Christopher Columbus to sail around the world.”
Even though many started to believe the Earth was round back then they still had no way of proving it till resent years.
Isaiah 40:22 says, “It is he that sits upon the circle of the earth”.
Now, some that believed in the flat Earth believed that this verse was talking of a flat circular Earth, kinda like a frisbee.
Again in Ray Comforts book, “How to know God Exists”, Ray talks of the earth floating in space: “At a time when it was believed that the earth sat on a large animal or a giant (1500 B.C.), the Bible spoke of the earth’s free float in space: “He…hangs the earth upon nothing” (Job 26:7)“.
Ray points out how Scriptures say the Earth floats in space when most believed odd ideas of something holding it up. It is clear today Scriptures is correct and the Earth is in fact just floating in space and “hangs on nothing”, just as the Bible teaches. We’ve proven it true through technology and inventing rockets to go into space and take pictures to show it is not propped up or carried by any animal and most importantly that it is a circle (a spiracle orb).
We see further that Genesis hints to spherical Earth in this following verse because it says “light separates day from the night”.
In Genesis 1:4~ And God said, “let there be light in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years,”
Imagine for a second, if the Earth was flat and floating like a frisbee in water, slowly floating in a circular motion, to my understanding we wouldn’t have both day and night but we would just have day forever or night forever. Flat Earthers believe that we have night because the sun goes behind the mountains. Today, we know that’s not true just simply by flying in an airplane far above the mountains. For example, staying within the borders of America, flying just a few states away, shows how we can start out flying in the daytime and it turns dark after a couple of hours because the obvious happened, it became night time not because a mountain was in the way of the sun and blocked it and not because the flat Earth flipped upside down but because it’s an orb and it rotated away from the sun.
Revelation 7:1~ After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth…”
Revelations talks of four corners of the Earth which became another reason to cause many to believe the Earth to be flat, with corners. However, in examining this verse closer we see that John was only using symbolic speech to describe the “four directions” just as we see on maps and compasses with north, south, east, and west. It’s not much of an argument though in proving the Earth to be round in my opinion.
As I pondered the directions mentioned, another verse came to mind, the verse that talked about God’s forgiveness because that one talks of directions as well. I looked it up and realized this verse makes the point of a round Earth…for me at least. The verse Psalm 103:12 uses two of the cardinal directions. It reads, “as far as the east is from the west, so far does he remove our transgressions from us.”
When we look at that verse it is speaking of a span of distance that is infinite. North and south only go so far till it stops. If you start out flying from the North Pole southward and just keep flying south eventually you would reach the South Pole and once there all of a sudden you would be flying north until of course, you reach the North Pole again. However, if you were to travel east going around the Earth and keep going in that eastward direction you would always be going east. It would never stop and the same with the west, you will forever be going west and it would never stop.
The purpose of that verse is to show us that the forgiveness of God is forever, it doesn’t stop which is why in His infinite wisdom He chose to say, “as far as the east is from the west” and not “as far as the north is from the south”. This way we can know for certain we have been restored to the Lord.
Now, looking at this verse to support whether the Earth is round or flat we see that because God uses the directions to make the case for how far He removes our transgressions from us, then it does make a strong case for a spiracle Earth. If the Earth was flat then saying “as far as the east is to the west” wouldn’t be very far because it would eventually stop at the edge of the Earth just as the other directions would. With a flat earth, you can obviously see by the image below that for God to tell us that He forgives us as far as the east is to the west would not make much sense.
It wasn’t until modern times that we could know for sure the Earth was round because we were able to send rockets into space and see it was in fact round and see that it rotated, and see that nothing was holding it up. The Bible was right.
*The Creation of Light on The Earth
Genesis 1:3-5~ And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
Take note here that God hadn’t created the Sun, Moon, or Stars yet until the 4th day. The darkness was mentioned from the start of creation (in Genesis) as God says, “The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep.” Nothing is said about where the light was brought from or anything about the darkness even, only that God spoke light into existence and then separated it from the darkness.
In Job 38:18-20, God Challenges Job… “Have you surveyed the extent of the earth? Tell Me, if you know all this. Where is the way to the home of light? Do you know where darkness resides, so you can lead it back to its border? Do you know the paths to its home?”…of course Job couldn’t have known any of this.
I can’t help but imagine how confused the writer was when writing this because God had them record as one of the first things created was light yet when they write about the fourth day God sounds like He repeated Himself and talks of light again. This time saying, “let there be lights in the expanse to separate the day from the night”. Here God is explaining that the light will come from the Sun and the Moon.
So, my thought is, did they ever wonder where the light came from on the first day? They knew God spoke and said, “let there be light” but from where did it come from? Or in God’s Words, as God questions Job by saying, “Where is the way to the home of light?” The answer: From God Himself. For the first three days of creation, He was the light just as it says in John 8:12~ “Again Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will not walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”
God will also be the source of light for the new Earth as well, as said in Revelation 22:5~ “There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign forever and ever”
*The Creation of Stars
Genesis 1:14-19~ “And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.” And it was so. And God made the two great lights—the greater light to rule the day and the lesser light to rule the night—and the stars. And God set them in the expanse of the heavens to give light on the earth, to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening and there was morning, the fourth day.”
When we look into the night sky depending on if it’s a clear night or not, we can only see so many stars with our naked eye. With a telescope we are able to see much more however the people back then didn’t have telescopes. Telescopes weren’t invented yet as this link below explains.
“The telescope traces back to early makers of eyeglasses and lenses. In the 1400s, glasses were used widely across Europe. These lenses were not powerful, not polished, and not clear. Due to their imperfections, they were not useful for astronomic observation.”
Psalm 147:4 tells us that “He counts the number of the stars, He calls them all by name.”
How great is God to be able to count the stars and name them, what fear that should produce in us out of respect and aw?
I can just see them looking up at the night sky counting as many stars as they possibly could (which some claimed the human eye can view about 1,000 ) and then looking at the sand and knowing they couldn’t possibly count each piece of sand and that there were way more sand particles than what they saw in stars. When compared to each other, the two probably don’t even seem equal. Did that make any sense to them? Today we could see the planets and galaxies and so many other billions of stars and comets and other things through telescopes. I’m sure, for them, knowing that Scriptures say in Jeremiah 33:22, “host of heaven can’t be numbered, or the sand of the sea measured” made them wish they had a way of seeing all those stars.
Another interesting fact God points out about stars is in 1 Corinthians 15:41 ~ “There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differs from another star in glory”
This verse uses the example of stars all being different. I’m sure this had to be perplexing for them as they looked at the stars from Earth, all the stars look like sparkly spots in the sky, without a telescope, how could they have known the stars could be so different in size or color? But it’s recorded in Scriptures and again this wasn’t a known fact until modern times.
*The Wind Having Weight…
Scriptures tell us wind has weight in Job 28:25~ “When he gave to the wind its weight…”
Barnes’ Notes on the Bible explains Job 28:25 this way: “To make the weight for the winds – That is, to weigh the winds and to measure the waters – things that it would seem most difficult to do. The idea here seems to be, that God had made all things by measure and by rule. Even the winds – so fleeting and imponderable – he had adjusted and balanced in the most exact manner as if he had “weighed” them when he made them. The air has “weight,” but it is not probable that this fact was known in the time of Job, or that he adverted to it here. It is rather the idea suggested above, that the God who had formed everything by exact rule and who had the power to govern the winds in the most exact manner, must be qualified to impart wisdom.”
When this was written in Job it was not discovered or understood yet how wind or air had weight.
*Creation of Water in Scriptures
We read about another question that God asks Job 37:16 ~ “Dost thou know the balancing of the clouds, the wondrous works of him which is perfect in knowledge?”
Good question! Did Job know how the clouds balanced in the sky? Probably not. I wonder what they knew about the clouds as far as how the clouds held water? Clouds can look so different from one day to the next but, just like what we see today, I’m sure they understood rain came from clouds but how it worked was probably a whole different question. Did they understand that very small droplets of water make up clouds and when they remain small, they float but if they join together with other droplets, they get heavier and become rain? Did they know that wind and temperature play a part in the reason it rains a lot or a little? They didn’t have the technology we do today so I’m sure that they had questions about it.
Genesis 1:6-8 tells us: “God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse. And it was so. And God called the expanse Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.”
firmament—an expanse: a name given to the atmosphere from its appearing to an observer to be the vault of heaven, supporting the weight of the watery clouds. By the creation of an atmosphere, the lighter parts of the waters which overspread the earth’s surface were drawn up and suspended in the visible heavens, while the larger and heavier mass remained below.
So how could they have understood any of this back then? I’m guessing they didn’t. The balancing of the clouds was not known until modern times when we had the ability and equipment to study it.
* Springs of The Sea
Genesis 1:9-13~ “And God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear.” And it was so. God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good.
Job 38:16-18~ “Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea or walked in the recesses of the deep? Have the gates of death been shown to you? Have you seen the gates of the deepest darkness? Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth? Tell me, if you know all this.”
We see here that God asks if Job ever journeyed to those places and if he comprehends everything God has done and if Job even knows of all those things. I guess it’s possible some of those things Job could have known about or read about because it was talked about in Genisis with the flood such as the phrase “springs of the deep” but there is no way he could have seen it with his own eyes to verify it, there is no way he could have walked in the “recesses of the deep” or went to see the “springs of the sea”. Most everyone knows today the ocean is very deep and very dark. Job didn’t have any way to go to any of them. It wasn’t as if he could swim down to the ocean floor to investigate it because he wouldn’t be able to hold his breath very long to go all the way to the seafloor. Also, the floor of the ocean is extremely dark so how could he even see the floor or observe anything down there once there. Not to mention the pressure at the bottom of the sea is deadly to humans, Job would not have been able to survive that alone. It’s only been just recently that humans could explore the seafloor thanks to a specially made submarine and confirm that there are springs in the seafloor but even then, we still do not know all there is to know about the sea. Back in Jobs day, there was no way for Job to have experienced any of that personally, it would have been impossible. So, I just wonder again how odd this must have sounded for Job.
*The Earth Will Not Be Moved
Psalm 93:1~ The Lord reigns; he is robed in majesty; the Lord is robed; he has put on strength as his belt. Yes, the world is established; it shall never be moved.
I will end with these scriptures below where God tells us the Earth will not be moved. I know the Earth moves…it turns on its axis as it rotates around the sun. Again, we know this to be true because we have the technology and pictures that show it does but I still just wonder what the writers thought about these verses. God is saying in these verses that nothing is going to happen to the world we live on and noting will cause it to fall apart or knock it out of orbit. This should be comforting to us because when I was much younger my fear was that someday a meteorite could hit us and knock the Earth off its axis sending it flying through space or shake it so badly that we would stop rotating or something to that effect. Yeah, the imagination of a young kid! Below I have scriptures and meaning of each of the verses I quote that shows that God is telling us the Earth is securely in place.
(Barnes’ Notes on the Bible explains Psalm 93:1~ “The world also is established – Is firm; is on a solid foundation. It cannot be shaken or destroyed by natural convulsions, or by the power of man. That it cannot be moved – Moved out of its place; overthrown; destroyed. This seems to have been spoken in view of some impending calamity as if everything were to be swept away. The psalmist consoles himself with the thought that the world was firmly established; that no storm or tempest could be so violent as to remove it out of its place. The ground of consolation is the essential stability of what God has ordained.”)
*Psalm 104:5~ He set the earth on its foundations so that it should never be moved.
(Benson Commentary on Psalm 104:5~ Who laid the foundations of the earth who hath founded the earth upon its own bases, or foundations, that is, upon itself, or its own center of gravity, by which it is self-balanced, and by which it stands as fast and immovable as if it were built upon the strongest foundation imaginable, which is a most stupendous work of divine wisdom and power; that it should not be removed — Out of its proper place; forever — Or, till the end of time, when it must give way to the new earth.)
*Psalm 96:10~ Say among the nations, “The Lord reigns.” The world is firmly established, it cannot be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity.
(Barnes’ Notes on the Bible explains Psalm 96:10~ The world also shall be established … – Under the reign of God. The meaning is that the world is fixed or immovable. It has its place, and it cannot be moved out of it. The government of God is fixed and stable. It is not temporary, changing, vacillating, like the dynasties of the earth, but is steadfast and abiding, and is well represented by the earth – so fixed and firm that nothing can move it from its place.)
*Ecclesiastes 1:4~ A generation goes, and a generation comes, but the earth remains forever.
(Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible explains Ecclesiastes 1:4 ~… “but the earth abideth for ever; for a long time, until the dissolution of all things; and then, though that and all in it will be burnt up, yet it will rather be changed than destroyed; the form of it will be altered, when the substance of it will continue; it will not be annihilated, but renewed and refined.”)
God makes sure we know the Earth’s foundation is so strong and solid that nothing can move it. What I found interesting was this video below that shows how Jupiter serves as a shield against danger to Earth. It says, “Without a massive gravity rich planet like Jupiter nearby to draw away asteroids, Earth would be more like an interstellar dartboard”. Not saying Jupiter is the only reason Earth is stable because we know God does this but it’s just amazing how God designed it all to have the planets where they are. I suggest you watch this 5 min video below that shares why the Earth that God created is so amazing and even overwhelming.
I hope this causes others to seek God more and to see His glory in all of His creations. To stand in Aw with respect to God in all that He has done. I realize that there are those out there that just don’t believe or have faith in God. With that said, there is still no excuse for them because everyone is shown God’s invisible attributes and power in all that has been created. It boils down to faith.
Romans 1:19-20~ since what may be known about God is plain to them because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
Christians have been lied to about the devil and Hell.
We have been told over and over that Hell is Satan’s dwelling place. He lives there and just comes around to bother us sometimes or sends his demons to mess with us. It has been suggested that the devil spends time with those that are in Hell tormenting them and allowing demons to torment them as well.
The link below is from the movie “War Room”, and we see where the wife (played by Priscilla Shirer) decides she’s had enough of the devil and goes after him. She becomes mad enough about the devil messing things up in her life that she gives the devil a firm scolding and yells at him for a good while.
She starts out with her explaining to him, “I don’t know where you are, devil, but I know you can hear me.” Well, the devil is not omnipresent and he cannot be everywhere at once as God can. I don’t know about you but to me, that seems like a frightening thought to think about, out of all the places on earth the devil chooses to be to cause destruction, he chooses you and your house to do it. Yikes!
But because he can only be in one place in time how does she know she is talking to him and that he hears her? Her assumption makes her believe that he is there and can hear her and yet she goes about scolding him as if she’s an authority to him and he might just be standing in shock that she’s on to him now. She says, “You have played with my mind and had your way long enough. No more. You are done. Jesus is the Lord of this house and that means there is no place for you here anymore.” thinking it’s something he wouldn’t know unless she announces it and now that she has he can’t play those games anymore and has to leave. She seems to think that Christians stand in some devil proof zone and they are promised no more demonic attacks or problems. The problems aren’t the same after salvation, but they are still going to come. The devil still tempts and causes deception in the lives of both the lost and saved; this is why we need to stand on the Word of God. We do not become free from the devil’s lies and destruction the minute we are saved. In fact, we can expect it just as much as a Christian, just as Job was targeted by the devil.
She then appears to chase him out of her house as she storms outside. She continues to remind him that he can’t have her marriage, daughter, or husband. We learn quickly, “when reading the Word” that marriage was designed by God and God does have set rules for the husband and set rules for the wife. God gives clear instructions on how we are to be in a marriage and the devil seeks to divide the husband and wife and destroy the marriage. Christian marriages are not off-limits to the devil.
The devil can cause trouble with anyone, and anything the devil does is always known by God. God can choose to allowed or not allowed the devil to play with people but it’s always for His own glory and purpose. At the same time we see it is God that can provide the protection and keep the devil at bay if He sees fit, just as it was done for Job in Job 1:10~ “Have you not put a hedge around him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land”.
In the movie the lady character tells the devil he is done (although, in reality, the devil will never be done or stop till our Lord throws him into the lake of fire) and she storms back into the house only to come back out a few seconds later to talk more to the devil. Here was where I’m like, “Serious, she’s gonna keep talking to him.” She comes back out and says, “And another thing…” like the devil is still standing outside all wide-eyed and in shock. Just so you all know, the devil couldn’t care less what you have to say or that you’re mad at him.
She ends up telling the devil to “Go back to Hell where he belongs”. The problem with that is the devil didn’t come from Hell as if it was his personal apartment where he lives and besides, it contradicts the Word of God.
That’s a very unbiblical teaching and a most ridiculous belief about the devil and Hell that there is. As I’ve mentioned the devil does not live in Hell or control it how he wishes. Instead, the devil is going to be the one tormented in Hell, not in charge of it, because it is God that is in charge of Hell.
What we learn from Scriptures is that God created Hell and it’s only God that has the AUTHORITY to put Satan in Hell, not us. In Matthew 25:41 and 2 Peter 2:4, God says that Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels. It’s God that cast demons into Hell and committed them to chains of gloomy darkness to be kept until the judgment.
Scriptures also, say that the demons cry out in fear of the Lord and do not want Him to torment them. Matthew 8:29~ And behold, they cried out, “What have you to do with us, O Son of God? Have you come here to torment us before the time?”
Luke 12:5~But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him!
Matthew 10:28 says, “And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”
Proverbs 14:27~ The fear of the Lord is a fountain of life, that one may turn away from the snares of death.
That tells me that we should fear God because He is the Authority overall.
But common sense says that even if it’s true that Christians can command and send the devil to Hell then who is letting him out or how is he getting out? If people all over the world are practicing this and they believe they are sending the devil “back” to Hell then he is being sent there over and over by different people all the time. Not to mention that most people will say, “In Jesus’ name.” So does this mean saying “in the name of Jesus” isn’t strong enough to keep the devil in Hell?
It says in 1 Peter 5:8 “the devil prowls around seeking someone to devour”. In Job 1:7 it tells us when God asked where the devil was and he told God he was going to and fro on the earth and walking up and down on it. This devil isn’t in Hell seeking to devour people; he’s on earth seeking to devour people.
Another thing that should be obvious is we should never address the devil ever! Why do people insist on talking to the devil when things go wrong? Because they were taught to do that. It’s not biblical and so very dangerous.
Addressing Satan is the worst thing you can do and yelling at him does nothing.
But ask yourself, “Why in the world would I want to address the enemy of God anyway or any demon for that matter?” That’s just giving the devil what he wants, YOUR attention!! Your attention is off of God and on him and now he is robbing you of your time spent with God. Think about it, something goes wrong and we start talking to the devil about how mad we are or how hurt we are and how he is not going to have control anymore. Does this make sense? Your time could be spent praying to God and asking Him for help but instead, it’s spent yelling at the devil.
God tells us in James 4:7-8 to “submit to God and resist the devil“.
We all need to be in prayer for all things but when we are addressing Satan then you have stopped your prayer and turned your back on God to talk with Satan. This movie teaches people they can address Satan and that’s wrong.
In the part of the movie where the wife (played by Priscilla Shirer) losses her cool and starts getting upset and yells at the devil and it appears that she is chasing him outside, I want to know, how does she know she got him outside? How does she know that her yelling did anything? But the worst part is that anyone would be talking to God one day and then the next start talking to Satan? Seems to me that would be an insult to God. Think about that, we pray to our Lord for many things. We go to God for help, to praise Him, to thank Him but one day you feel you are being spiritually attacked so instead of going to God (who has the power to help you and protect you) we start talking to the devil instead like we are his parent and he’s in trouble. Why? He doesn’t care what we think. He isn’t going to all the sudden become remorseful and sad because we yelled at him. The devil isn’t going to be afraid of you and apologize for upsetting you. He is getting exactly what he wants, your attention off of God, and getting you all stressed and angry. We shouldn’t address the devil at all, ever. We only need to address God.
Satan is very active and he does prowl around and he will until the 1000 year reign of Christ where an angel (the warrior archangel Michael) binds him and he will be thrown into the bottomless pit as said in Revelation 20:1–3~ “Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding in his hand the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain. And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, which is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the pit, and shut it and sealed it over him so that he might not deceive the nations any longer until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be released for a little while.”
The word archangel means “angel of the highest rank.” Michael binds the devil, not a human. The archangel Michael has spiritual combat with the devil during the millennial reign of Christ. The Bible also speaks of Michael protecting people as well, in Daniel 12:1 so if we are so tough that we think we can bind Satan and kick him out of our house on our own, why would God need angels protecting us, ministering to us and guiding us?
That we humans are weaker than angels and below them in power and knowledge. (2 Peter 2:11, Jude 1:9) so there is no way we can take on Satan and his demons and there is no way he stands in fear of us. That’s just pride-fullness.
Binding Satan is not within our power. Scriptures say in Acts 19:13-16~ “Some Jews who went around driving out evil spirits tried to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those who were demon-possessed. They would say, “In the name of the Jesus whom Paul preaches, I command you to come out.” Seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this. One day the evil spirit answered them, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know about, but who are you?” Then the man who had the evil spirit jumped on them and overpowered them all. He gave them such a beating that they ran out of the house naked and bleeding.”
This from Got Questions:
“Jesus had earlier given His apostles specific authority over demons (Mark 3:15). Paul, as an apostle, had received that authority as well (see 2 Corinthians 12:12).”
“..Demons recognize valid authority, and they fear God (see James 2:19). It’s important to note that the authority over demons belongs only to Jesus (see Luke 8:28, 31) and to those to whom Jesus gave it. The demon in Acts 19 says that it knows Jesus and Paul (one of Jesus’ chosen apostles). It refused to recognize any other authority in Ephesus. The demon’s question “who are you?” is chilling in its implications to the seven sons of Sceva and their total lack of authority.”
This is what God wants us to do instead in Eph 6: 10-18~ Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. …13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you maybe able to withstand in the evil day and having done all, to stand firm.
James 4:7-8 says “Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you.”
That being said, there was one part in the move I agree with and that was when the old woman named Miss Clara says to the wife, “Do your fighting in prayer.” That’s exactly what we need to do. Not address the devil but address God in prayer. Not yell at the devil but run to God in prayer. Not send the devil back to Hell but bring God into it and let God fight the battle. We can’t!
Turning away from God to speak to the devil just because you feel you are strong enough and more powerful than the devil is unbiblical. Just because someone told you that you could do that because you are a Christian is a lie. God is the only one that can fight the devil and protect you. Just stay with God and don’t waste your time talking to the devil.
We all need to stop talking to him, stop yelling at him, stop commanding him to go back to Hell, and don’t give him any more of your time.
I had heard the argument that women should NOT have authority over men and preach inside a church because of 1 Timothy 2:11-14 however, if it’s outside a church setting, it’s ok.
The belief is that women are not to speaking or have authority over men because of this verse, 1 Timothy 2:11-14~ “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner.”
Then following that up with 1 Tim 3:14-15~ “I tell you this so you know how to conduct yourself in the house of God.”
Then saying it’s referring to how we are to be inside a church….not outside the church. So, inside a church, women and men are told how to conduct themselves but outside a church it’s different. To my understanding, this verse is supposed to prove as long as it’s NOT in a church setting women should be okay to preach to men because Priscilla did with her husband outside the church.
So the question is, why women couldn’t do the same as Priscilla today with others as long as it’s outside the church like at conferences or other buildings. Women that preach to crowds that are not associated with a church is no different than Priscilla preaching in their tiny group of three. Can’t it be any number of people? Why is a small group okay in the Bible but more than that it’s not?
I made the statement that it was in their home privately not publicly and just because Priscilla was helping explain things to Apollos isn’t a reason for women to preach outside a church. To use this weak argument regarding Pricilla can’t possibly be an example of preaching to groups with men because she didn’t preach to groups of men. She privately counseled one-man alongside another man. She was helping to explain Christ with her husband, under her husband’s authority, that’s all. There was no position of authority in that situation for Priscilla. She has no leadership over Apollos. God made it clear that a lady is not to preach the Word and act as a leader of the body of Christ.
To prove further that this is not just my understanding of these verses I’ll point out some web sites and individuals that I believe are sound and biblical and teach the same things.
Michelle Lesley: In this link, she says: “When people try to use her (Priscilla) as an argument for female preachers, teachers, and authority, they usually go to Acts 18:26 which says that she and her husband took Apollos aside and fully explained the gospel to him. This was a private meeting among the three of them, likely in their home over a meal or other casual circumstances, not preaching or teaching in the church. Additionally, the Bible makes absolutely no mention of how much, if any, of the actual “explaining” Priscilla did. It’s quite possible she just sat by as Aquila did the majority of the explaining and contributed only here and there or when Aquila forgot something.”
(We cannot assume women can preach to an assembly of men just because Priscilla helped alongside her husband with one individual man understand the Gospel better. If so, that would mean Priscilla could’ve then got up onto a platform somewhere and started preaching God’s Word to a group of men and women. Her preaching to a mixed audience as the authority of God’s Word is not the same as her going alongside her husband and helping another man understand God’s Word.)
Also from Michelle Lesley: “Would the Holy Spirit have led Paul in Romans 16 to praise women who were rebelling against His word in 1 Timothy 2? Have you ever known God, anywhere in Scripture, to praise people who unrepentantly break His word?”
“Would it make any sense, logically, for Paul to praise in Romans 16 women who were habitually and rebelliously disobeying his instructions in 1 Timothy 2?”
“The “church” is the gathered body of believers for “worship” and “biblical instruction”.
“So whenever believers are gathered for those purposes – whether we call it Sunday School or worship service or a Christian conference, and whether it’s in a sanctuary, Sunday School classroom, or conference center – that’s the church, and the Scriptural mandate for women not to teach or hold authority over men applies.”
(This tells me that it’s not the building that’s the focus here. Michelle points out that It’s what’s taking place with the person preaching. The Bible isn’t saying that only in the church building we can’t allow women to preach or have authority over a man, but outside the church building as well. It’s the preaching of a sermon to the congregation anywhere, it’s being the leader over the body of believers, and it’s the leading of worship and giving biblical teachings to a mixed group. That is what is forbidden for women to do whether in a church building or a religious conference in a hotel. If they are Christian in the family of God then they are to behave as such 24/7 no matter where they are.
When we are in a mixed Bible study group women can speak up to give a thought, ask a question, or read a scriptures verse that’s ok because they are not leading the study. They are not the authority but instead, a man leads the study. The Bible doesn’t say women can’t share inside a Bible study but we are not to publicly hold spiritual authority over a man in the church as a leader. We can share the gospel to the lost and are called to share the gospel but that’s ministering to them that are lost, not holding authority over them as their leader. Everyone is called to share the gospel.)
Got Questions: “In this case, Paul seems to be saying that the ekklesia—the body of believers, “the church”—is the structure that holds up and holds forth the gospel to the world. For that reason, the conduct of the body and its selection of leaders is critically important.”
“So, in 1 Timothy 3:15 Paul is NOT referring to “the church” as the source of truth or the creator of truth. He’s saying “the church” is what holds up and holds firm the truth in the world.”
“The church,” that is, the entire population of Christian believers, bears the earthly responsibility of holding up the truth of the gospel. The ultimate basis of that truth is Christ, not the proclamations or infallibility of members of that body. Paul is calling on believers to care for the structure that “supports” or “props up” our message to the world. First Timothy 3:15 cannot be taken to mean that the church itself is the source or standard for truth.”
(So, I learn here that we as Christians in the family of God are to keep truth no matter where we are and what we are doing. We hold to the truth, “prop up” the truth to the world.
Our Christian conduct is to be consistent with who we are and whose name we bare no matter if we are in church service in our church or a conference an hour away or if we are at a family reunion or grocery shopping we are to demonstrate the pillars and foundation of truth. We are the family of God at all times not just “in” church.)
Click on the link below for the meaning of the verse.
*”‘The household of God‘ refers to all who have been saved by grace through faith in Christ”
*”The household of God are the believers who make up the Body of Christ”
*”The household of God is the men and women who are positioned in Christ”
John MacArthur: He is talking on 1 Timothy 3:15~ “if I delay, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth.”
“The word “house,” look at that in verse 15, is Oikos. It could be translated “house,” because it can refer to the building itself. But here it is best to understand it as “household.” It is not speaking of a building; it is speaking of a family. We take it that way because it’s used three other times in the chapter; and in each case, it’s used that way.”
“In verse 4, “one that rules well his own house” doesn’t mean he rules the mud and the brick and whatever it was that made the house, it doesn’t mean that. It means he rules the people in the house in the substance of the family. Verse 5, the same word is used again, “rule his own house,” and it refers to his household, his people, his possessions. In verse 12, it is used again of the deacon who rules their children – who rule their children and their own houses. And again, it’s the idea of the house as a household, as a family, as a group of people. Second Timothy 1:16, Titus 1:11 uses the same word in the same way.”
“So, we can assume then, basically, pretty safely, that Paul uses Oikos, not in the metaphor of a building here, but the metaphor of a family. And what he is saying is, “You need to know how to behave yourself as a member of the household of God. You belong to the divine family, and that places upon you a tremendous responsibility for conduct when you look at yourself as belonging to God.” These things are for Timothy, but not just for Timothy. That’s why chapter 4:11 says, “These things, Timothy, you are to command and to teach.”
“So the whole epistle then is instruction on how to behave as the family of God: proper Christian behavior in the family. And order starts with the leadership, that’s why he specifically identifies Timothy. Verses 14 to 16 are written like a personal note to Timothy, just like verses 18 to 20 in chapter 1 were. He ended the first section, chapter 1 discussion of the false teaching, with a personal word to Timothy. He ends the second section, chapters 2 and 3, with another personal word to Timothy, calling Timothy to accountability to follow through on what he has just instructed. And first of all, he says, “You have to know how to conduct yourself so that everyone else can know how to conduct themselves in the matter of living in the family of God.”
“Now that puts Christian conduct and Christian behavior at a high level, doesn’t it? We are called to this kind of behavior to be consistent with who we are. You remember Ephesians 5:1 says, “Walk in love as dear children of God.” We are dear children of God, and so we are to walk as Christ who is God walked, and He walked in love. We are to behave in a way consistent with our family identification.”
“The second thing he says, and this is so interesting, verse 15, we are told how it is necessary to behave oneself in the household of God, and then it says, “which is” – and I want to give you the proper Greek translation – “the living God’s church,” – and I translate it that way for a better emphasis consistent with the text – “the living God’s church.” There is not a definite article with the church, so “the church of the living God” adds a word. But it is the living God’s church. And any time the article is not there, we look for stress on the character or nature of something. And so, it is a church which by nature is the living God’s church. We are then, note this, not only the household of God, but we are the living God’s church. We are His family. We are His assembly. Ekklēsia means His group of called-out ones.”
(We are His assembly! This teaches us that women are not to have “spiritual authority” over men in church publicly or anywhere in the gathering body of believers. Not just in your church are women not to have spiritual authority over a man but also in other settings of religious worship and teachings as well.
A public religious conference with a mixed audience holds the same rules because we are “in the family of the living God” all the days of our lives everywhere we go.
If a woman is advertising to the public that she is holding a Bible study or religious assembly in a park or large hotel. The people that attend go to study her book or learn the Word of God from her then she has placed herself as an authority to the gathering body of believers)
Also, from MacArthur:
“And somebody else says, “Well, what about missions? What about missions? We need missionaries, what would we do without women missionaries?” God bless women missionaries, but I don’t think women being on the mission field necessarily have the right to violate the Word of God. Paul was a missionary. He had a lot of missionaries traveling with him. And if ever there was a great need for the expanding church to have leadership, it was then, and the pragmatic argument, if it ever was valid would have been valid there, and Paul would have thought, “Well, we don’t have many men but a great host of women keep coming to faith, so maybe we’ll just kind of stick those women in there till we get some men. Wouldn’t be bad to have a few women teachers and preachers and elders.” But no, I mean, look at it this way, God wrote on a wall a message to Belshazzar, but it isn’t His pattern to use walls. God doesn’t do that. God doesn’t violate His principles for expediency’s sake. People say, “What about the shortage of men?” Well if there’s a shortage of men, Jesus gave us the answer, “Pray the Lord of the harvest to send forth,” what? “Laborers into His harvest.”
“Elisabeth Elliot, who most of us know as a marvelous instrument of God in the expansion of the Kingdom, the wonderful wife of the martyred Jim Elliot. After the massacre of her husband and the several other missionaries in Ecuador, she was the only biblically trained person left who could speak the Auca language, the only one left. But so convinced was Elizabeth Elliot in her heart that she could not violate the Word of God that she took one of the Auca men and weekly taught that man a sermon so that he could preach it in the church on the Lord ’s Day. Much like Aquila and Priscilla, she would not step up to the preaching but she did not mind instructing the preacher.”
“The word ‘teach’, “διδάσκω,” according to Thomas Schreiner, has in mind the public teaching and involves the authoritative transmission of tradition about Christ and the Scriptures (1 Cor. 12:28-29; Eph. 4:11; 1 Tim. 2:7; 2 Tim. 3:16; James 3:1). “
“While women are permitted to discuss biblical theology in a mixed group setting such as a Sunday school class, women teaching children or other women (Titus 2), or in a private setting such as with Apollos’ instruction that was gleaned from meeting with Priscilla and Aquila—biblical teaching, when among the church as a whole or a mixed audience should be led by men. It seems clear that Paul was addressing an issue that was taking place in the life of the church and needed to be corrected.”
“When it comes to teaching men in our present day, we have the conference culture that often stretches these complementarian boundaries. This is a dangerous practice since conferences are designed to strengthen the church and to in many ways model what the local church should be promoting in their local assemblies—ie., expository preaching, sound biblical theology, and other important, if not essential, practices. Therefore, to have women stand and open the Bible and teach a group of men in a conference setting is not beneficial to the Church represented in the conference from many different local churches. Such stretching of the boundaries is a common practice in our day and we should be cautious when we see women teachers invited to speak to a mixed audience.”
“The last thing that we should do in the local church is to discourage women who have the gift of teaching to suppress their gifts. They should labor to teach, explain, and expound the meaning of the Bible on an ongoing basis in the life of the church and the context of religious conference settings—but there are still boundaries to observe in the process. The Church of Jesus Christ needs faithful women who bloom with the glory of God’s design for women and teach, instruct, and make disciples. Paul never suggested that women should not teach, but that they should merely refrain from teaching men and having authority over them.”
(This discusses the practice of women teaching scriptures in conferences. Known today as the conference culture women think it’s completely fine to preach the message to a mixed audience because they are officially not in a church building. Again it’s not the building that’s the church, it’s the people.
But as was pointed out in the write-up and worth repeating is that in Christian conferences it should be understood that the conferences are done to strengthen the church and should display what that local church encourages in the gathering of believers. No matter where we are, we need to behave as believers and stand on the truth in and outside the church. We don’t stop being Christian the minute we leave the church building.
My children don’t stop being my children when they leave our house. They are always my children no matter where they are. We are family always and they should behave in ways that represent who they are in our family. Believers are the family of God at all times. )
Bible study tools:
“Church” is the translation of the Greek term ekklesia, and is used in the New Testament to identify the community of believers in Jesus Christ. It means “assembly,” “congregation,” or “meeting.” A similar term was used in the Old Testament referring to experiences such as “the day of the assembly,” “the Lord’s congregation,” or “meeting before the Lord.”
“Thus, when Jesus declares: “I will build my church” (Mt 16:18), it did not come as something unfamiliar to the common listener. Shortly after, in the New Testament, the word is confined strictly to refer to the congregation of believers in Jesus Christ.”
“It is worth mentioning that in the New Testament, no synagogue, temple, chapel, tabernacle, building, or any other meeting place was ever called a “church.” The term always referred to the Christian assembly and, in the New Testament, it was used for both the local community of believers and the overall collection of Christians.”
(So, from the link above if we use the words they give as a church in a sentence we will understand what God is meaning. “Church” literally means “assembly,” “congregation,” or “meeting.”
Women are not to preach or teach in the “church”…women are not to preach or teach in “assemblies”…women are not to preach or teach in “congregations”…women are not to preach or teach in “meetings”. It wasn’t talking about a building or a location but the group of people that was being preached to. Women cannot preach as the authority of a conference or of an assembly of people or a meeting of believing people. Women shouldn’t even be included as a lineup of a group of preachers advertised for a Christian seminar to give a message from the Word of God. They will still be standing in authority over men but in this case, it’s just standing in authority with other men. They are still violating God’s Word.)
Susan Heck says: “It has nothing to do with culture but with the order of creation.”, “There is nothing wrong with a man learning from a woman but not in the local assembly.”
1 Timothy 2:8-15~ Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting holy hands without anger or disputing. I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God. A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do notpermit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love, and holiness with propriety.
1 Corinthians 11:3~ But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
1 Corinthians 11:7-9~ For a man ought not to cover his head since he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man. For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.
2 Corinthians 11:3~ But I am afraid that as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your thoughts will be led astray from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ.
(These verses make it very, very clear in why women are not to preach in public assemblies to a mixed audience. Susan Heck points out so many verses in her woman’s study that helps us women understand why a woman is not the head, she is not the authority, and she is not the master of men when it comes to preaching inside or outside the church.)
“From the very beginning, women fulfilled a vital role in the Christian church (Acts 1:12–14; 9:36–42; 16:13–15; 17:1–4, 10–12; 18:1–2, 18, 24–28; Rom. 16; 1 Cor. 16:19; 2 Tim. 1:5; 4:19), but not one of leadership. The apostles were all men; the chief missionary activity was done by men; the writing of the New Testament was the work of men, and leadership in the churches was entrusted to men.”
“Although the Apostle Paul respected women and worked side by side with them for the furtherance of the gospel (Rom. 16; Phil. 4:3), he appointed no female elders or pastors. In his letters, he urged that men were to be the leaders in the church and that women were not to teach or exercise authority over men (1 Tim. 2:12). Therefore, although women are spiritual equals with men and the ministry of women is essential to the body of Christ, women are excluded from leadership over men in the church.”
(It’s not hard to understand that in the Bible men are to be the leaders in the church, but also the leaders of their household at all times no matter where they were and that women were not to teach or exercise authority over men (1 Tim. 2:12). )
May this give women great peace about their role and allow them to learn what God has designed us to do. It’s a great responsibility to be the leader of the body of believers and we as women can be thankful, we are not carrying that huge responsibility.
It never fails to amaze us when listening to the camp of professing Christians who claim God is in control and sovereign but in the same breath say He is unable to do what He wants; He can’t save everyone He wants, He can’t work in our lives unless we have enough faith, He can’t move unless we declare, decree or claim, etc. They would be more honest to admit they believe God has limited control or is perhaps sharing control. What’s more amazing is that this sort of talk is leaking into solid churches, being preached by reformed pastors and embraced by Christians who seem to have a biblical understanding of salvation.
Lately, we’ve personally witnessed a lambasting of those who rightly believe God always does what He wants and wills, by a well-approved church leader who said: “It is unbiblical to think God does whatever He wants or wills…He can’t do whatever He pleases…He is subject to man’s free will and must allow their faith to be tested first…He didn’t want to send His Son to die but had no choice…” Looking around we see this is not so unique of a take. Many have applauded it. It’s not biblical, however, and may I dare say even dangerous.
We can’t really worship God if we don’t know Who He is; if we don’t have the truth about God. God says we are to worship Him in Spirit and Truth (John 4:24). Who is God and what does He do? Is He in total control, does He do what He wants and does anything or anyone thwart His plans or will?
Psalm 115:3 “Our God is in the heavens; he does all that he pleases.”
Isaiah 46:8-11~ “Remember this and stand firm, recall it to mind, you transgressors, remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, ‘My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,’ calling a bird of prey from the east, the man of my counsel from a far country. I have spoken, and I will bring it to pass; I have purposed, and I will do it.”
“who carries out the words of his servants and fulfills the predictions of his messengers, who says If Jerusalem, ‘It shall be inhabited, ’ of the towns of Judah, ‘They shall be rebuilt, ’ and of their ruins, ‘I will restore them, ’ who says to the watery deep, ‘Be dry, and I will dry up your streams, ’ who says of Cyrus, ‘He is my shepherd and will accomplish all that I please; he will say of Jerusalem, “Let it be rebuilt, ” and of the temple, “Let its foundations be laid.” Isaiah 44:26-28
“I know that You can do all things, And that no purpose of Yours can be thwarted. Job 42:2
“The Lord protects the strangers; He supports the fatherless and the widow, But He thwarts the way of the wicked.” Psalm 146:9 “The Lord has established His throne in the heavens, And His sovereignty rules over all.” Psalm 103:19
“He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.” 1 Timothy 6:15b-16
Not only is God sovereign, completely in control (these actually mean the same thing), and doing as He wants, our God is also incomprehensible and infinite.
“For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the Lord. “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts.” Isaiah 55:8-9
People want a God of their own making, one who thinks like them, who is just about love, meekness, safety, sympathy, and vulnerability. They want what’s comfortable and tolerant. They don’t want a God that actually WANTS to save only a few (Romans 9:16-18), satisfy His wrath (Ezekiel 5:13, Romans 9:21-23), or to judge the guilty (Romans 3:5).
Does God delight in the destruction of the wicked and desires for them to be lost to hell? No, Scripture says “’For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone who dies,’ declares the Lord God. ‘Therefore, repent and live’” Ezekiel 18:32. This displays the mercy of God- that He calls for repentance so the wicked can be saved and live for eternity. Matthew 23:37 says, “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing!” This is the compassion of our Lord and the showing of his humanity, longing for something He ultimately chooses not to sovereignly intervene in because of His perfect will. (Dr. John MacArthur explains more on this here: https://youtu.be/oGhFslv1HKo)
Truth is, God wants to display more than just His love and peace. He wants to display His mercy, forgiveness, and grace, as well as, His judgment and wrath. None of those attributes can be displayed unless sin and evil are allowed to be a part of the picture. God wants to display all of these perfect attributes and be glorified. “Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another or common use? What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory,” Romans 9:21-23. “So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I raised you up, to demonstrate My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed throughout the whole earth.” So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. Romans 9:16-18.
God does not cause evil deeds but He is certainly in control over all and allows it for good reasons. Even Christians wrestle and we squirm with predestination, eternal hell, sovereignty, etc. We may find the word “why” slip out of our conscious and through our mouths only to quietly remember Job and repent, and perhaps repeating Job’s response to the Lord, ““Behold, I am insignificant; what can I reply to You? I lay my hand on my mouth.” (Job 40:4)
We soon remember that God is not going to think like us. We know we need to change our thinking to be more in line with God’s, and because of the Scripture and the work of the Holy Spirit in us we can understand the thoughts of the Lord (1 Corinthians 2:16) even though we know we can never come close to knowing or understanding fully what He perceives, thinks or does.
Going back to the comments said by this certain individual I mentioned in the beginning, that God didn’t want to send His Son to die and that Christ really didn’t want to do that but did anyway, it seems this person has confused wanting to do something with enjoying something. Dare we say, Christ actually wanted to die for us? Did He not see that it was good and that He wanted what the Father wanted? “Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and the sin which clings so closely, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus, the founder and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is seated at the right hand of the throne of God.” Hebrews 12:1-2 ESV
Jesus carried through in order to receive the joy ahead, by accomplishing what was the will of God. He endured temporary suffering, willingly and obediently, as the Father willed. Did He enjoy the experience? No. The agony of being a sin-bearer and experiencing the alienation from and wrath of the Father for any amount of time almost killed Jesus before He got on the cross. “And being in agony He was praying very fervently; and His sweat became like drops of blood, falling down upon the ground.” Luke 22:44. Sweating blood is not a sign of someone that is enjoying something. Far from it. However, just because one doesn’t enjoy a particular thing doesn’t mean they don’t truly want it. The Godhead is always in complete union and agreement, so when the Father is pleased, the Son is pleased. God’s will is done. “But the Lord was pleased To crush Him, putting Him to grief; If He would render Himself as a guilt offering, He will see His offspring, He will prolong His days, And the good pleasure of the Lord will prosper in His hand. As a result of the anguish of His soul, He will see it and be satisfied; By His knowledge the Righteous One, My Servant, will justify the many, As He will bear their iniquities. 53:9-10
Would we enjoy pushing our child out of the way of a car and getting slammed by it ourselves? Would that be a delightful experience? No. But we would choose that; we would want that more than the alternative. We would rather take our chances and die than see our child die. If we could intervene, we would. We could want something we didn’t really delight in. Now, let’s think about something on the flipside. A Christian parent has an adult child that is living in sin and refuses to repent. Is it joyous to have to distance themselves from their own child and not be in close fellowship with them? No. But, a true Christian parent who is obedient to the Lord will want to do as the Lord wants no matter what (2 Corinthians 6:14, 2 Thessalonians 3:14).
These two examples really do no justice to Who God is and why He does what He does, but hopefully, it helps somewhat to clarify the confusion of wanting something vs. enjoying something. They are not always the same thing.
Another concept this particular person believes; “God’s perfect will is not always accomplished….because He gives His children free will.” This again puts God in the position of sharing control and power. Free will is something many people embrace and one Christians can be confused about. GotQuestions.org puts it this way, “There is nothing in the Bible that teaches human beings have a free will, at least not in the sense of how many people understand the term free will. A common understanding of free will is that we can make our own decisions entirely free of any outside influence. This understanding of free will is not biblical, nor does it match reality. The Bible teaches that without Christ we are “dead in our trespasses and sins”(Ephesians 2:1). If we are spiritually dead, surely that impacts our decision-making. John 6:44 says that, unless God draws, no one can come to Christ for salvation. If the decision whether to trust in Christ is impossible without God’s “interference,” our will is not “free.” https://www.gotquestions.org/predestination-vs-free-will.html
God most certainly has a choice in all matters. He chooses who is saved and will choose to bless people however He sees fit. “For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith.” Romans 12:3
God is sovereign over all, meaning He is always in control, will not experience coercion, and will do what He wills to do, always. Just to add more to the mix, He can desire what we could never desire and He can have zero delight in what He actually wants… and those aren’t contradictions.
It’s dangerous to believe that God thinks the way we think. To believe He doesn’t want to exercise and put on display His judgment and wrath, is ignoring Scripture. To think that humans have free will and God must comply with it, is grossly mistaken and dishonoring to Him and His omnipotence and omniscience. He may not choose to exercise His control at times but He certainly will if He wants. We should find great peace in knowing that God is in complete control and will do as He pleases, doing what is good and perfect- all of the time. We should have great rest in knowing no one or no thing can thwart His plans.
Yes, we are responsible for our sins and to respond to what the Lord has offered us. We will go to hell because of our own sinfulness and will go to heaven because of His grace. Throughout it all, God sovereignly and perfectly reigns and moves as He wants, orchestrating everything according to His perfect will.
“For the LORD Most High is to be feared, A great King over all the earth. He subdues peoples under us And nations under our feet. He chooses our inheritance for us, The glory of Jacob whom He loves. Selah. God has ascended with a shout, The LORD, with the sound of a trumpet. Sing praises to God, sing praises; Sing praises to our King, sing praises. For God is the King of all the earth; Sing praises with a skillful psalm. God reigns over the nations, God sits on His holy throne.” Psalm 47:3-8
Above is an article written by Tami Dykes, Gina and Tami write Through the Narrow here at Tulips & Honey Hub. They’ll be posting articles every other Tuesday. Both are published authors, and you can find Tami’s book here, and Gina’s book here. We’re blessed to have them apart of our team, and pray their writing will be as edifying to you as it is to us. – Lauren Hereford
If someone says they were born with a greater susceptibility to abuse others because they have rage and feelings of anger, does this make it OK for them to give in to those desires? Should they be able to beat their spouse or child because they believe they were born with those strong feelings of anger and the desire to lash out and physically hurt others? I mean, if they can’t help it then they shouldn’t be held accountable, right? How about adulterers? What spouse thinks this is a reasonable excuse for their husband or wife to cheat on them? They were just born that way, they can’t help it! How about being an alcoholic? Can a person be born an alcoholic? Should we all be OK if our loved ones become a raging alcoholic and making bad choices because they were born with a greater susceptibility to alcoholism, or addiction? Let’s go further, what about rapists or pedophiles? Who in their right mind would be OK if they got raped or if a pedophile hurt their child? Would people just say, “Well, it’s not their fault, it’s who they are, they were born that way, they can’t help it”?
If a person has any of these traits I mentioned, is that who they are at birth? Do people actually become homosexual or alcoholics or rapists or pedophiles or murderers or psychopaths in the womb? If so, are they saying God created us this way on purpose? Did He design us to sin since it was Him that created us? No! God did not create us that way on purpose and we are not born this way, it’s not biological! We cannot have those tendencies in the womb. This is a result of the fall of man, period! Yes, we are born into sin, we have a sinful nature but that doesn’t mean there is DNA that makes us become any of that. We live in a fallen world, the evil one’s world. Satan is called the “prince of the power of the air” in Ephesians 2:2. It is written in John 12:31 that he is the “ruler of this world”. God’s infinite wisdom has allowed Satan to work in this world under certain boundaries God has given him. We have influences in our lives that are of the flesh and the world. We are all born into this world with families that are “already living in sin”.
Our parents, family, friends, teachers even education systems and media all take part in polluting us by influencing our way of thinking and teaching us many ungodly beliefs. Schools have been trying to get students to think that the homosexual lifestyle is normal but nowadays they go so far as to keep it from the parents allowing them to indoctrinate the children with whatever they want. Below I have three links that I try to share when talking about schools that support LGBTQ beliefs. The first link is in 2018, “Pennsylvania school district, after roughly 2,800 students were forced to watch LGBT videos during LGBT “Unity Week” in April, parents and conservative activists asked the district to provide links to the videos, so they could see what their children had watched.” Second and third are in 2018, “A proposal that would let students in Delaware as young as 5 choose their own race and gender-identity – without approval from their parents”. “Drafted by Delaware Gov. John Carney, the anti-discrimination policy states that children from K-12 can choose their own name, identify with whatever race or gender they feel most comfortable with, and even access hormone blockers necessary to transition without the consent of their parents.” These children are being hurt by this. Think about what they are doing, hormone blockers? To a young child? And not tell their parents?
Most of the world has welcomed the homosexual lifestyle with open arms and the media has welcomed them into the spotlight. The world has been forced to make room in the entertainment industry for them through the News, TV shows, movies, and commercials so much that it has become accepted and even normal in some cases. The boldest step was where they would have story time at local libraries with men that dressed in drag, and also had men in drag dancing for children. It’s a sad thing to be reading on Facebook as the news presents it as something brave and great to inspire kids. We certainly can’t get away from it when watching TV. You can be watching a show for 30 minutes and then all of a sudden the next scene is a “make your eyes bleed” scene with a homosexual couple that makes you want to cry.
It frustrated me so much, trying in vain, to find a show that doesn’t support homosexuality. It seemed it was on every channel even commercials. We usually watch black and white shows that are relatively safe from that stuff but to try and find something in today’s entertainment is not easy. I like watching doctor shows and found one that seemed safe but I soon found out there was an openly gay couple on there that everyone in the show was happy for. Another TV show that has openly gay homosexuals that flaunt their behavior all over the place that is not shocking for me to see was Saturday Night Live. They are just everywhere and completely excepted and loved. No one thinks anything of this kind of lifestyle anymore, they have all become desensitized to the sin. Today, it’s considered hateful to not support homosexuality even in churches but I’m here to say, GOD, DOES NOT SUPPORT IT!!! And that is a frightening truth for them whether they believe in God or not.
Many that struggle with homosexuality want to convince people that it’s loving and Christian to accept this because “they were born that way” and can’t help it. Common sense says at birth, a baby doesn’t know anything about abuse, rape, adultery, addictions, homosexuality or being a criminal and we are not born with those specific desires either. “Satan is the major influence on the ideas, opinions, goals, hopes, and views of the majority of people. His influence also encompasses the world’s philosophies, education, and media. The thoughts, ideas, speculations and false religions of the world are under his control and have sprung from his lies and deceptions”. (Taken from Got Questions) Sadly, I just recently read in two different articles that NOW pedophiles are jumping on the bandwagon with the homosexuals to defend their right to live how they want and actually using the excuses of “they were born this way, they can’t help it, and they deserve love too” concept. They hope to be accepted by society and allowed to live out their desires with no judgment. How they would love it if they could convince the world of this as the homosexuals have. The world should never be OK with any of those lifestyles. The link below on a video showing how real and sick this belief is:
I don’t think people even know everything God says on this so bear with me and just take a moment to read the following verses.
Galatians 5:19-21~ “The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity, and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions, and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God”.
Leviticus 20:13~ “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them”.
Leviticus 18:22 “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable”.
(Can you read this one any other way than it talking about a homosexual relationship?)
Romans 1:26-27~ “Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way, the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error”.
(This one points out both females and males having homosexual relationships.)
1 Corinthians 6:9~ “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality…”
(Sodom and Gomorrah was a town of homosexuals and God destroyed it completely.)
Genesis 19:4, 5 says “the men of the city, the men of Sodom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. And they called to Lot and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally.”
(The Hebrew word translated “know” (yada) in Genesis 19:5 (KJV) means “intimate relations.”)
Deuteronomy 22:5 (KJV) ~ “The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abominations unto the Lord thy God.”
(We also see the word effeminate in scriptures. I looked it up to see the meaning and found that an “effeminate” man is one who has rejected his masculinity and identifies as a female.)
God gives us the freedom to choose how we behave and the things we do. Ask yourself, “Are we choosing out of our sinful nature or out of the blessings of grace?” What we do know is there are consequences to our choices, blessings or curses. All of us can give in to our sins and temptations. Anyone of us can commit the worst act of sin. This is why God tells us to deny ourselves and follow Him. If, as a Christian, I choose to believe that homosexuality is not wrong because they were born that way and they can’t help it then do I really, truly believe in God or His Scriptures? If that’s the case I need to ask myself, “Am I truly a Christian?” At that point, I have become Lukewarm. If we claim to be Christian then we should believe in Jesus and His Word. If I say I love Jesus, then I should love and believe in what scripture says from cover to cover. If instead, I say, homosexuality is a sin and God says it is unnatural and shameful and detestable and that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God and they shall surely be put to death I am simply agreeing with God. I didn’t write the Scriptures, God did, and I am merely agreeing and believe in what God says. I also believe we should boldly warn those that think that lifestyle is OK with God.
If you live that way you are in sin and separated from God and He says sin cannot go unpunished and without believing in Jesus and His Salvation there is no hope for you. God is a God of love but also wrath and He says what He means. Homosexuals can say whatever they want but it doesn’t make it true. They can say that they were born that way but if that is true then they are saying God created a person to sin and that is against God’s character. Again, God says homosexuality is a sin and it keeps them from the Kingdom of Heaven, so why would He purposely create a person that way if it is a sin and keeps them from Heaven? He wouldn’t! James 1:13 says, “When tempted, no one should say, ‘God is tempting me.’ For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone.”
2 Peter 3:9 ~ “The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead, he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.” God is patient and has a sincere desire to hold back His wrath for those who will hear His voice, repent of their evil ways and be saved. God does not create a person with homosexual desires. The Bible tells us that people become homosexuals because of sin (Romans 1:24-27) and ultimately because of their own choice. Again, we are born into sin because of the fall but we are NOT created to sin. Remember the people in our lives and our influences in life play a part in what we believe. Ezekiel 33:11~ “Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord God, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways, for why will you die, O house of Israel?”
Sadly, there are many churches today that make identifying as homosexual or same-sex attracted acceptable as long as you don’t act on it. If a person says they are a homosexual Christian but they just don’t practice that lifestyle, is this ok? I recently had seen a video of a religious leader talking about his homosexuality. He described it as having a sexual, romantic and deep emotional attraction to people of the same sex. He says he chooses to describe himself this way because sexuality is not a matter of identity. Well, I disagree and this is why I believe it is a matter of identity when you purposely and publicly want to be identified as that and when you give yourself the title of “homosexual Christian” or “same-sex attracted Christian”.
Just because a homosexual doesn’t act on their sin doesn’t mean it’s been dealt with, repented of and gone. If they are choosing and telling people this is who they are and how they want others to see them because they are proud of it then this is not dealing with that sin. It’s still very much a proud title of their sin inside them. They are still struggling with that sin in their hearts. Not acting on that sin is NOT ENOUGH! That sin needs and should be destroyed to the point it’s completely repulsive to them, it should sicken them every day. If it doesn’t then they are still enjoying that sin. They still desire it! That makes them in great danger of acting on it and sinning purposely. For example, have you ever been told by someone at work or church, “Hi, I’m a Christian and addicted to drugs” or “Hi, I’m a Christian and an adulterer”…no, people do not identify themselves as their sinful desires. Should we then be ok if someone tells us, “Hello, I’m a homosexual but don’t worry, I don’t act on my desires, I’m a Christian”? No, that would still concern me and rightly so and what if someone also said, “Oh, I’m attracted to children but don’t worry, I don’t act on my desires, I’m a Christian”. That wouldn’t be enough for me to trust them around my kids or to believe they are truly changed. Scriptures say we are to hate our lives not look at ourselves as some hero that fights a battle every day.
Would anyone want to be identified and a thief or murderer? No, it’s just not enough to not act on it, it should be destroyed in their heart, and it should sicken them to the core because it’s evil! Colossians 3:5~ Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. We are to strive daily to identify as Christ-like, not as sin like. If God has truly freed you and you are now a new creation in Christ why in the world would you insist on telling everyone you’re a Christian that’s a homosexual that doesn’t act on their desires? I’m not saying, a saved new creation can’t be tempted. Christians are tempted many times with different sins but it shames them, it sickens them and they are quick to turn to God, repent and focus on Scriptures but you don’t keep wearing your sinful desires as a name tag. You wouldn’t want to identify or support that life choice because it’s sin.
No one would act like they’re proud to be a rapist or a raging alcoholic and chose to be called that. If people in the church are announcing they are homosexual but they are saved because they don’t act on their desires tell me they are still in that sin because they want to be identified as same-sex attracted and they are proud of their identity as gay. They wear it as a badge of honor. Pride is never a good idea! According to Psalm 10:4~ In his pride the wicked man does not seek him; in all his thoughts there is no room for God.
Proverbs 16:18-19 tells us that “pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall. Better to be lowly in spirit and among the oppressed than to share plunder with the proud.”
Galatians 2:20~ I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
(We should see that it is no longer us that lives but Christ if we are truly saved. We should never identify with sin but only with Christ)
Ephesians 4:22-24~To put off your old self, which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires, and to be renewed in the spirit of your minds, and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness.
(Any person, much less a preacher, should understand that choosing to call yourself gay or choosing to identify as same-sex attraction is NOT putting off your old self but instead hanging on to it. He is hanging on to those desires which are deceitful. If a person is choosing to be identified as a person that is attracted to the same sex then how is that a renewed mind? How is that way of thinking truly showing a desire to be righteous and holy in the likeness of God?)
Romans 6:6 ~We know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body of sin might be brought to nothing so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin.
(If a person desires to be identified as gay or choose to be called same-sex attracted then they are still enslaved to that sin. I say that because that verse says, “that the body of sin might be brought to nothing”….for this man his body and desires of his body is STILL something. He is still involved with his old self and it’s still very much something to him instead of nothing.)
Ephesians 5:8 ~For at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light.
Ephesians 5:11~Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.
When people want to identify as same-sex attracted they are hanging on to that darkness that they associated with their entire life. For true Christians, we want to find our identity in Christ…not in our flesh. To identify as our sin, that contradicts being identified in Christ. We need to die to our flesh. God wants us to warn on these things and share the truth. We are commanded to love and forgive one another but we are not to tolerate and condone sin. Remember there is freedom from sin and that’s through Jesus Christ. May you hunger for God’s truth and freedom from your sin.
Above is an article written by Tami Dykes, Gina and Tami write Through the Narrow here at Tulips & Honey Hub. They’ll be posting articles every other Tuesday, accept for this week as I was unable to post yesterday. Both are published authors, and you can find Tami’s book here, and Gina’s book here. We’re blessed to have them apart of our team, and pray their writing will be as edifying to you as it is to us. – Lauren Hereford
As written previously, many in the charismatic circles seem to want empowerment and an identity that is nothing more than self-worship, in “Jesus” name. They seek power and influence that God never promised. They downplay their sin and elevate their self-worth. They even claim to be incarnational, as if they are Jesus Himself. Amongst these false teachings, there are other aspects of this movement that we want to bring to light because it’s what is sold as being real faith but is truly faithless, legalistic and in many ways abusive.
It’s the miracle-seeking that is seemingly driven by doubt looking for proof of God; people desperately looking for validation of His presence in their lives and His favor.
We first heard it put this way from Pastor John MacArthur when he said, “All these people running around, looking for miracles say, “Oh, we have enough faith to believe in miracles.” That’s not faith; that’s doubt looking for proof.” (Taken from The Signs of an Apostle, Part 2)
We fully agree with him. We agree because we see it, not only in charismatic circles but in all religious circles, in evangelical churches, in small Baptist Bible groups, etc.
One of us sat in a Baptist bible study many, many years ago listening to a man who was fairly new to the group express that he desired more. He was looking for wonders, for miracles. He tried to explain that this would be the wonderful boost he felt he needed in his walk. Learning the Bible and sharing the Gospel was great and all, but he wanted a thrilling experience with God. He sounded like a man not content with God and all He does through His Word. It sounds like many other people who “just want to experience the miraculous power of God” not realizing the Gospel is the power of God for salvation, which is a miracle of bringing the spiritually dead to spiritual life (Romans 1:16). The salvation of people is not the miracle they seek.
Although sprinkled within most religious circles and churches to some degree, seeking supernatural proof has been paramount for most, if not all, charismatic churches. It’s firm in their bedrock. The lack of looking at the Gospel and the miraculous salvation of souls as miracle enough gives support for all the unbiblical activity and false teachings that spring up out of it. They believe you are not experiencing the true God, the new normal, and you are not living faithfully if you are not looking for and seeing other supernatural manifestations (that were never promised or encouraged in Scripture in the first place).
From our personal experiences, if you say you don’t need to seek those types of miracles, they seem to feel sorry for you, even looking down at you. They look at you with what seems a disdain for your contentment with what you have already from God. They don’t understand it when you have peace with the mundane, obedient life or with just reading, studying, preaching Scripture. And when tragedy strikes they go into further confusion. They start desperately declaring and rebuking the tragedy in “Jesus’ name” as if doing so is the secret sauce and will undo everything unwanted.
God is sovereign and He is in control.
We have recently heard of the debacle with the charismatic Bethel Church and the sweet little girl Olive who tragically died, whom they were trying to bring back to life through frenzied declarations, song, and dance which they called “prayer time”. The poor parents were believing in the lie that God didn’t want this death and would grant resurrection if they kept contending and declaring for Olive’s resurrection. People were expecting something God never promised or encouraged for His Church to seek. They were full of such zeal, for a lie.
Bill Johnson, the leader of Bethel Church, said, “Why did Jesus raise the dead? The reason Jesus raised the dead is that not everyone dies in God’s timing.”
Things happen outside of God’s timing? Isn’t that making God look like a confused and puny God? What an insult to God and such a dangerous thing to tell everyone about God Almighty, Who created the universe and everything in it.
“‘See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me; It is I who put to death and give life. I have wounded and it is I who heal, And there is no one who can deliver from My hand.” Deuteronomy 32:39.
“There is an appointed time for everything. And there is a time for every event under heaven-A time to give birth and a time to die; A time to plant and a time to uproot what is planted.” Ecclesiastes 3:1-2.
Simply put, God is in control of every life and every death and has set a time for each one- no one will die outside of God’s power, will and timing. The faithful Church understands this and has peace with it.
Something we want to make sure to point out is that Bill Johnson’s wife Beni was seen on video saying God told her a prophetic message saying Olive would resurrect on a certain day, yet it did not happen-exposing her as false. False prophets and false teachers always show up to declare these things and stir up and exploit the people who are desperate, confused, doubting, hurting and undiscerned. Chris Rosebrough does a great job of explaining more on this very thing and even shows the videos here: F4F | Bethel, WAKE UP!
The damage done by the false teachings and abuse of these false teachers and leaders is immeasurable. What does that do to the ones already doubting looking for proof in the wrong places, when the girl stays dead? When Bethel finally announced quietly that they would cease the song and dance for Olive’s resurrection and go ahead and bury her, there were no doubt people who were left more confused and in doubt. What happens next is usually one of two things: followers seek and declare harder, try to sing and dance with more passion and muster up some more of their “faith” in order to receive the proof they are desperate for, turning into more of a legalist trying to earn and usher in God’s favor, or they eventually throw in the towel on God and walk away completely. It’s such a sad reality and it shows the desperate need for these people to be told of the Gospel message. They don’t get evangelized like many others because Christians give a half glance at their “zeal for God” and their “bold faith” and make an unsubstantiated declaration that these miracle seeking people must love the Lord; that their heart is in the right place, albeit a little over the top at times. This is a tragedy, folks. Although we can’t know individual hearts and all of their intentions, we can know that when people are embracing these teachings and behaving in such a way they have likely not received what God has already provided nor are they content with His written Word, His sovereignty and will. They do not know their Scripture and likely not the true Jesus. They are doubters looking and striving for proof.
Those lost and doubting, if ever a witness of a supernatural work like a resurrection, would still doubt and be lost. They need to hear the Gospel to be saved and changed and to feed on the Word to be sanctified and encouraged via the work of the Holy Spirit. That is a reality we see throughout Scripture, especially in the New Testament. The resurrection of dead loved ones would still not bring salvation to those witnessing it.
“But Abraham *said, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear them.’ But he said, ‘No, father Abraham, but if someone goes to them from the dead, they will repent!’ But he said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’” Luke 16:29
The Church seeking for signs and wonders, for supernatural healing and physical resurrections is not the point made in Scripture by the Lord:
“As the crowds were increasing, He began to say, “This generation is a wicked generation; it seeks for a sign, and yet no sign will be given to it but the sign of Jonah.” Luke 11:29
“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’” Matthew 7:21-23.
“So we have the prophetic word made more sure, to which you do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place until the day dawns and the morning star arises in your hearts.” 2 Peter 1:19.
Even if Olive or anyone else, was raised from the dead, the Gospel is still the only thing that matters. Through Christ’s death and resurrection alone, we are saved. That is the message we are to preach, the reason for hope and joy and the miracle we should desire for others.
We shouldn’t allow ourselves to be deceived by those who say you must seek more than what the Word has instructed us to seek. We are to be content with what He has said, given and what He has chosen to do and not do. We can pray to the Lord for Him to heal and restore but with the heart of contentment and thankfulness towards Him and whatever He desires. The only thing we need to NOT be content with, is our sinfulness, our lack of understanding of the Scripture better and the lack of our zeal and love for Him and His Word, as already revealed to us.
May we keep praying for and sharing the Gospel with all those caught in this deception; from the false teachers and prophets who exploit, to the mere weak and doubting who listen to them.
“Keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life. And have mercy on some, who are doubting; save others, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment polluted by the flesh.” Jude 21-23.
Through The Narrow is written by Tami Dykes and Gina Cook, both are published authors. You can find Tami’s book here, and Gina’s book here.
I know Ann Voskamp and her books is a sensitive subject with many because so many still enjoy her books regardless of her unbiblical teaching and I see her quotes being shared which some sound fine but sharing her quotes do point people to her books and studies and her odd beliefs and that is truly concerning. Ann writes and teaches mysticism, pantheism, Romanticism, sensuality, and new revelations. She’s very seductive in her speech and ideas about God and actually says God wants this with us too. Really? She’s going to seriously say this about God?
Christians, there is a huge difference between having a respectful, close relationship with God that is within biblical teachings vs. a sensual intimate relationship with God that makes most people cringe. We will all be held accountable for what we teach, practice and say about God. For her to speak of God with such a fleshy desire that expresses such human sensuality and even proclaim that this is how God wants to be with us is in great error and dishonoring to Him. “For speaking out arrogant words of vanity they entice by fleshly desires, by sensuality, those who barely escape from the ones who live in error,” (2Peter 2:18).
I’ve made my thoughts known on facebook before about Ann Voskamp. It never took long to receive replies from others of how wrong I was for calling Voskamp out as a false teacher. They were quick to tell me I was taking Voskamps words out of context and being unchristian for doing that. Quickly following that up with how wonderful, humble and gifted Voskamp is and how she always quotes scriptures in her books.
How interesting it was to me that although women tell me that I’m taking Voskamp’s words out of contexts and committing some kind of crime against her yet not once did they see or understand how badly Voskamp has taken Gods Word out of context and how very unchristian that is for her to do. I guess we can offend the Lord and twist His Holy, perfect and complete Word in such a perverted way, yet we don’t dare offend others by calling out the errors of their beloved authors or ministers?
I had a lady say to me, “How can you speak against her like that because she’s done some wonderful things in the world” and they list off some very noble, kind works that Ann Voskamp has done. They continue telling me that Voskamp is a holy woman and instrumental in raising a huge amount of money for a women’s hospital.
Yeah, I know, I don’t doubt Ann has done some good things in her life and helped others in their trials, that’s a wonderful thing for her to do and I’m sure Ann has written many good books but that means nothing if she teaches a different idea of God, changes His character and perverts a relationship with Him. It means nothing if a “nice person” that does “good things” teaches against the Scriptures. It means nothing if your good works are over and above God’s law. I’d rather stand before a Holy God and answer for expressing my disgust for Ann Voskamp’s book then have to answer for the fact that I saw danger in what she teaches and didn’t warn others about it. I want no one’s blood on my hands (Ezekiel 3:17-18). I also know that I wouldn’t want to be Ann Voskamp or any woman that condones such sensual teachings about God when they stand before Him on judgment day and have to answer for putting words in Gods mouth, defiling His name and shaming His character in such a perverted way. Matthew 15:18–19~ But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person. For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false witness, slander.https://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-defilement.html
God tells us not to look at another with lust or we will have committed adultery in our hearts. The crime is in our hearts even though we do not do the sexual act of it. So Voskamp is mentally steering women to think of God like this and it can cause them to commit that crime in their hearts towards God. Christians should be so upset about how Voskamp talks about God but instead, her followers correct those of us that are offended by her.
The abuse that Voskamp displays towards our Lord is repulsive and is no different than her using the Lord’s name in vain as said in Exodus 20:7. Many Christians don’t understand that it’s more than just using His name as a cuss word. We need to understand that using His name in vain is done in ways that misrepresent Him or is disrespectful and dishonoring to Him. If we claim to the world that we are Christians that serve a Holy, Righteous, Glorious God yet behave in a way that dishonors Him then we have used His name in vain.
Got Questions explains it this way: “If we profess to be Christians, but act, think, and speak in a worldly or profane manner, we take His name in vain. When we misrepresent Christ, either intentionally or through ignorance of the Christian faith as proclaimed in Scripture, we take the Lord’s name in vain. When we say we love Him, but do not do what He commands (Luke 6:46), we take His name in vain and are possibly identifying ourselves to be among those to whom Christ will say, “I never knew you. Away from me” in the Day of Judgment (Matthew 7:21-23).” https://www.gotquestions.org/Lords-name-vain.html
Even the angels were extremely careful to show reverence and respect in the presence of God, as said in Isaiah 6:5 and Exodus 3:4-5.
From Got Questions: “Isaiah was a firsthand witness of God’s holiness in his vision described in Isaiah 6. Even though Isaiah was a prophet of God and a righteous man, his reaction to the vision of God’s holiness was to be aware of his own sinfulness and to despair for his life (Isaiah 6:5). Even the angels in God’s presence, those who were crying, “Holy, holy, holy is the LORD Almighty,” covered their faces and feet with four of their six wings. Covering the face and feet no doubt denotes the reverence and awe-inspired by the immediate presence of God (Exodus 3:4–5). The seraphim stood covered, as if concealing themselves as much as possible, in recognition of their unworthiness in the presence of the Holy One. And if the pure and holy seraphim exhibit such reverence in the presence of the Lord, with what profound awe should we, polluted and sinful creatures, presume to draw near to Him! The reverence shown to God by the angels should remind us of our own presumption when we rush thoughtlessly and irreverently into His presence, as we often do because we do not understand His holiness.” https://www.gotquestions.org/holy-holy-holy.html
The heavenly angel’s nature is to serve and glorify the Lord humbly and they are far more pure than us yet they cover themselves because they know they are unworthy.
Shockingly Ann thinks of God, the maker of heaven and earth, with erotic thoughts and romanticizes her relationship with Him and teaches that this is Christian and how God Himself behaves.
When you put words together with words like romance, lover, embrace, climax, cohabit and to make love…..then what do you think Ann Voskamp is talking about? She’s not talking about just knowing God through the Word. Where does she think people’s minds are gonna go? She is pointing out that she wants more of a relationship than just being a child of God, she wants to be something else with Him entirely in a mental, spiritual and yes, sexual way, that should make the readers cringe. She teaches others to do the same probably so she feels validated in how she thinks of Him and worships Him.
Biblically we know God is omnipresent as said in scriptures (Psalm 139:7-12). God is everywhere but although God is everywhere Does not mean God is found “IN” everything.
Voskamp shares how she focuses her worship of God on objects such as stones, bubbles, a bed, and even the moon. The example of the moon as holy or bubbles as Holy then people will be looking for Holy experiences with God in every object. She writes about doing dishes and she talks about the light in the soap bubbles and then says, “This is where God is” (69). She describes a bubble trembling, then states the space is holy, “The God in it”. Although creation reminds us that there is indeed a Creator, we should understand that it is not a dwelling place for the Creator. It’s not good to focus your worship for God on an object such as a bed, or on a building of stones or bubbles just because you think God is in it. Acts 17:24 “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands.” Worshiping a bubble and saying that God is found in the bubble and the space is Holy is not biblical. She is idolizing it! It’s making an object an idol. Then she writes she finds God in the moon and so she puts all her focus on the moon and then says she finds Salvation in the moon. Ann: “Has His love lured me out here to really save me? I sit up in the wheat stubble, drawn. That He would care to save. Moon face glows. We are head to head. I am bare; He is bare. All Eye sees me” (Voskamp: 115).
Voskamp is skilled at describing things in terms of romanticism is enhanced by her very expressive words. Her romantic terminology creates such a wide range of emotions and feelings that causes the reader to feel how she wants them to feel. She describes a very romantic situation that should only be found with their husbands but instead is focused on God instead. Ann says: “The full life, the one spilling joy and peace, happens only as I come to trust the caress of the Lover, Lover who never burdens His children with shame or self-condemnation but keeps stroking the fears with gentle grace “(Voskamp: 146). Romanticism puts focus on our very human feelings and what we experience and completely ignores God’s truth.
Below are some of her romantic terminology excerpts where Voskamp describes in her book romantic encounters with God.
“I fly to Paris and discover how to make love to God.” (One Thousand Gifts, p 201)
“I run my hand along the beams over my loft bed, wood hewn by a hand several hundred years ago. I can hear Him. He’s calling for a response; He’s calling for oneness. Communion (Voskamp: 211).
“I remember this feeling. The way my apron billowed in the running, the light, the air. The harvest moon. I remember. The yearning. To merge with Beauty Himself. But here . . .Now? Really?. . I am not at all certain that I want consummation.” ..And who wouldn’t cower at the invitation to communion with limitless Holiness Himself?” (One Thousand Gifts, p 211)
“This invitation to have communion with Love—is this the edge of the mystery Paul speaks of? “‘A man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united into one.’ This is a great mystery, but it is an illustration of the way Christ and the church are one” (Ephesians 5:31-32). The two, Christ and the church, becoming one flesh—the mystery of that romance. Breath falling on face, Spirit touching spirit, the long embrace, the entering in and being within—this is what God seeks? With each of us?” (One Thousand Gifts, pp 212-213)
“God makes love with grace upon grace, every moment a making of His love for us. And He invites the turning over of the hand, the opening and saying Yes with thanks. Then God lays down all of His fullness into all the emptiness. I am in Him. He is in me. I embrace God in the moment. I give Him thanks, and I bless God and we meet and couldn’t I make love to God, making every moment love for Him? To know Him the way Adam knew Eve. Spirit skin to spirit skin.” (One Thousand Gifts, pp 216-217)
Looking at her use of words, we have determined what she really means and if you have doubt look up each word to see the term.
God is called our Father… Our Father and we are His children not His intimate partner. We shouldn’t think that way or worship that way to our Father. I can’t help but think how wrong it sounds to even teach our children this kind of idea of God either. Also, what husband is alright with their wife worshiping like that? Is it okay for our husbands to think of God the Father in this way? One man said, “Where does that way of thinking put us men”? We shouldn’t think of Him like that at all, it’s just wrong. If this is pleasing to God then why doesn’t He tell us to worship like this in Scriptures? What about our fear of God? Where is her fear of God and reverence for Him and His Word?
God’s way of love is not the way Ann describes in her book that is all about emotions and flesh and objects. God’s love is Agape love.
From gotquestions it is explained like this; “The Greek word agape is often translated “love” in the New Testament. How is “agape love” different from other types of love? The essence of agape love is self-sacrifice. Unlike our English word “love,” agape is not used in the Bible to refer to romantic or sexual love. Nor does it refer to close friendship or brotherly love, for which the Greek word philia is used. Agape is love which is of and from God, whose very nature is love itself. The apostle John affirms this in 1 John 4:8: “God is love.” God does not merely love; He is love itself. Everything God does flows from His love. But it is important to remember that God’s love is not a sappy, sentimental love such as we often hear portrayed. God loves because that is His nature and the expression of His being. He loves the unlovable and the unlovely (us!), not because we deserve to be loved, but because it is His nature to love us, and He must be true to His nature and character. God’s love is displayed most clearly at the cross, where Christ died for the unworthy creatures who were “dead in trespasses and sins” (Ephesians 2:1), not because we did anything to deserve it, “but God commends His love toward us in that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8). The object of God’s agape love never does anything to merit His love. We are the undeserving recipients upon whom He lavishes that love. His love was demonstrated when He sent His Son into the world to “seek and save that which was lost” (Luke 19:10) and to provide eternal life to those He sought and saved. He paid the ultimate sacrifice for those He loves.”
God’s love is expressed not in intimate ways like Ann portrays but in the death of His Son. We need to control our imaginations and thoughts. As we read in verse, 2 Corinthians 10:5 ~Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ. 2 Peter 2:2 says, “And many will follow their sensuality and because of them the way of truth will be blasphemed.”
John MacArthur says it best here, “We err greatly if we think of intimacy with Christ as some lofty level of mysterious, feelings-based communion with the Divine–as if it involved some knowledge of God that goes beyond what Scripture has revealed. That idea is the very heart of the gnostic heresy. It has nothing in common with true Christianity.”
“If we want God to delight in our worship, we must think rightly about Him. The very essence of idolatry consists in wrong thoughts about God. And conversely, true knowledge of God means knowing Him as He is revealed in Scriptures”.
A pastor I talked to just shook his head as we discussed the book and he said he didn’t understand how anyone could say it’s a good book? The pastor’s wife was very shocked that so many women support Ann Voskamp and she couldn’t believe that some people think it’s biblical to worship God in such a way when it’s not. One preacher said he read excerpts from her book but not the entire thing and like me, have seen enough of it to know that it is not good.
Why do some preachers preach like this in this video?
Steven tells everyone that the devil knows more about your destiny than you do.
Christians, you should know the devil doesn’t know our future!
The devil isn’t all-knowing like God. Only God knows our future, only God is all-knowing.
Then Steven says, “Can I preach this like God gave it to me, God said some of you are breaking generational curses and you don’t even know it.”
Now Steven is claiming direct personal messages from God.
Then Steven says, “The devil ties us up?”
What does he mean by that? How does the devil do that?
Steven says, “The devil wouldn’t have tied you up if he wasn’t afraid of what would happen if you got loose.”
Ok, first…the Devil is NOT afraid of us or what we will do. The Devil is afraid of God and what He will do, not us. Once again, it’s NOT about us, it’s about God. God is to be feared. Satan can’t just tie us up anytime he wants. However, if Satan could tie us up, then we should know it’s God’s Will anyway and God’s Will is perfect and there is a reason it was allowed. The devil can’t do anything too God’s believers without first having to get God’s permission. Just like in Job. The devil couldn’t do anything to Job till God gave the ok (and it was for God’s Glory it was done at all). The devil was even limited in ‘what’ he could do as shown in these verses below. In the first conversations about Job, God gives Satan strict instructions not to “hurt” Job. In the second conversation about Job, God allowed Satan to hurt Job with physical pain but told Satan he was not to “kill” Job. God was in full control and allowed the testing for a reason.
The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.”
Then Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.
Then Satan answered the Lord and said, “Skin for skin! All that a man has he will give for his life. But stretch out your hand and touch his bone and his flesh, and he will curse you to your face.” And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, he is in your hand; only spare his life.”
Steven Furtick makes it sound like we are breaking strongholds all on our own, not giving any credit to God’s authority, power or His Word. Instead, Steven points to how ‘we’ are the powerful ones and that’s why Satan wants to tie ‘us’ up. Humans are below angels in power and knowledge and if the devil isn’t afraid of heavenly angels then he isn’t afraid of humans. (2 Peter 2:11, Jude 1:9)
Jude 1:9 speaks of how even an angel doesn’t pass a judgment down on Satan. Bibleref explains it this way: “In this incident, Michael refused to usurp God’s authority, which stands in contrast to the audacity of false teachers to slander authorities and angels.” “The key point here is that Michael, despite being a powerful being himself, refused to slander the Devil. This proves the arrogance of the apostates Jude is discussing. They are so conceited that they’re doing what even an archangel won’t!” Quotes above from this link:https://www.bibleref.com/Jude/1/Jude-1-9.html
So the devil was not afraid of the archangel Michael as he disputed with him, showing us that the devil certainly wouldn’t be afraid of us. We also know that Michael the archangel isn’t afraid of the devil either. Michael does spiritual combat and even battles Satan in the end.
Watching this video of Steven Furtick the question that comes to mind over and over anytime I see him talk like this is, where is his fear of the Lord? (Deuteronomy 10:12-13)
Steven shows no fear of God, he only shows off in ways that benefit himself. He has manipulative speeches that work the crowd. He knows what to say and do to get his crowd all worked up. People love to hear that they have the power to overcome Satan and they will even say, “Satan, I bind you in Jesus’ name” or they say they have the devil on the run (this one I’ve heard personally). People love believing they are stronger than Satan and can scare him and almost dare him to go against them. Christian’s we need to understand real quick, IT IS NOT within our own strength to battle Satan. This is a very dangerous thing to believe or practice or teach. It’s a very prideful belief that we would think it’s within our own strength or it’s us that does the battling as we shoot off at the mouth to argue with Satan like he is standing there trembling at our words.Anytime someone preaches that we have the power to go head to head with Satan then they are teaching a dangerous thing and if we believe it and practice it then we are fools.
Scriptures say in Acts 19:13-16~ Some Jews who went around driving out evil spirits tried to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those who were demon-possessed. They would say, “In the name of the Jesus whom Paul preaches, I command you to come out.” Seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this. One day the evil spirit answered them, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know about, but who are you?” Then the man who had the evil spirit jumped on them and overpowered them all. He gave them such a beating that they ran out of the house naked and bleeding.
This from Got Questions:
“Jesus had earlier given His apostles specific authority over demons [Mark 3:15). Paul, as an apostle, had received that authority as well (see 2 Corinthians 12:12).”
“..Demons recognize valid authority, and they fear God [see James 2:19). It’s important to note that the authority over demons belongs only to Jesus (see Luke 8:28, 31) and to those to whom Jesus gave it. The demon in Acts 19 says that it knows Jesus and Paul (one of Jesus’ chosen apostles). It refused to recognize any other authority in Ephesus. The demon’s question “who are you?” is chilling in its implications to the seven sons of Sceva and their total lack of authority.”
“Probably the greatest mistake the seven sons of Sceva made was their failure to realize that Paul was not doing the exorcisms. Jesus Christ was doing the exorcisms through Paul.”
“When they came back to report to the Lord what had happened, they were excited about being able to exorcise evil spirits: ‘Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name” (Luke 10:17). Jesus immediately provided some perspective: “Do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven” (verse 20). What is greater than authority over demons? Knowing God is your Father and heaven is your home.”
So, what should we do when we feel attacked or tempted or as Steven puts it, “Tied up?”
Do we argue with Satan and scream at him? God tells us in Ephesians6:10-17that in order for us to be strong we have to be strong in HIM.”…Be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might”. Did you catch that? It’s in His might! We have to ‘put on’ what God tells us to put on for our protection. When we read that whole verse, it says, “So that we may stand”. We are to stand in the strength of His might, not on our own just because we think we are a special Christian that is powerful and important.
Put on the whole armor of God that you may be able to “stand” against the schemes of the devil.
We can’t bind Satan or command he go to hell or speak to him or command anything from him.
Yes, it’s true, the devil attacks in many ways. God says the devil will shoot flaming darts at us as said in, Ephesians 6:16, “In all circumstances ‘take up the shield of faith,’ with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one”. But Satan doesn’t do that because he is afraid, he does it because he’s Satan.
Satan can do many things like use situations to discourage us, deceive us, make us doubt, make us believe we have powers, masquerade as the light, even to tempt us and mislead us with instant gratification of the flesh as said here in James 1:14-16~ Temptation comes from our own desires, which entice us and drag us away. These desires give birth to sinful actions. And when sin is allowed to grow, it gives birth to death. So don’t be misled, my dear brothers and sisters.
God tells us how important it is for us believers to keep in His strength as said in Ephesians6:10-17. We are too ‘put on’ the full armor of God and ‘stand’ on God’s might.
We are too ‘put on’ the belt of truth, ‘put on’ the breastplate of righteousness, ‘put on’ shoes of the gospel of peace, ‘put on’ the shield of faith, ‘put on’ the helmet of salvation and ‘carry’ the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God. We were never promised a life without problems but if we are God’s then we have Him and His Word to stand on and to protect us.
The Armor of God
Ephesians 6:10-17~ Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God. This should be enough to convince anyone that Steven Furtick is a danger to listen to and follow but if you want to know more than the following links below should help you out.
*Steven Furtick teaches that God Breaks the Law.
So, apparently, Jesus isn’t sinless if this is the case.
And by the way, Jesus says He came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it.
*Steven Furtick says in this link, “Goliath had David’s sword. Goliath has got your grace”.
In 1 Samuel 17:45-46 David says exactly what he’s going to do in that fight before it starts….“You come to me with a sword and with a spear and with a javelin, but I come to you in the name of the Lord of hosts, the God of the armies of Israel, whom you have defied. This day the Lord will deliver you into my hand, and I will strike you down and cut off your head.”
David knows it’s all about God and what God wants, “The Lord will deliver you”. David knows God is in control and God is the one that will overcome the armies and its God that deserves the Glory.
David proclaimed in 1 Samuel 17:47…” the Lord saves not with SWORD and spear” so David is well aware he didn’t NEED a sword to fight Goliath because David knew it wasn’t his strength because David knew the Lord was gonna do it.
*Steven said in a video that church isn’t for those that know Jesus. He says, “Let me get a phone book, there are over 720 churches in Charlotte. I’m sure we can find one where you can stuff your face until you’re so obese spiritually that you can’t even move.”
Why do so many people continue to go to his church and listen to him then? Does this mean they are not saved because according to him if they are attending his church they are not saved? If they are saved, they wouldn’t be going there?
I’d have to agree with that part of it, don’t go there.
*Steven says Christians that want to be fed God’s Word are fat, lazy Christians!
Quote: “We don’t teach from Books of the Bible because it gets in the way of evangelism. We don’t offer different kinds of Bible studies because it gets in the way of evangelism. We don’t teach doctrine because it gets in the way of evangelism. If you want to be fed God’s Word or have the Bible explained to you then you are a fat lazy Christian and you need to shut up and get to work or you need to leave this church because we ONLY do evangelism.”